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I haven't seen this series yet but on the last one they often went to Vauxhall Gardens in London.  It was in Kennington on the South Bank of the Thames and was called a pleasure garden.  It opened at night, sometimes most of the night, after work.  It was there for 2 centuries and there were other such gardens at the time in London but this one was the most popular.  It went through 3 phases and in the last from 1793 to 1859 it was "transformed from the elegant and fashionable rendezvous, and had become a commercial venue for balloon flights, fireworks, circus performers, massed bands and other spectacular entertainments."



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Great points. Mini. I think you are right.

Can anyone answer my question about the location? It was a genuine request for information, as I suspect that it might be obvious to UK people, but not to me in a different country.



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I watched Ep 5 with a great deal of stuff happening around me. Frequently I had to get up and wander away from the TV and I found myself not caring much at all. What I did see seemed vaguely familiar - Ned in prison, Drake being threatened by posh lady, Demelza saving the day. A day later, I reached two conclusions: DH doesn't have a great imagination, hence the repetitive nature of scenes, and, more importantly, she simply doesn't have the acute observation and understanding of human nature which WG had. Her characters move around a lot but the heart isn't in them. I initially started reading the books to understand why Ross was such an annoying bossyboots. And I read and read, and was amazed at WG's insights. Those insights are sadly lacking in this last series. But I'll persevere, if only so I can winge.



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Ep 5: In all the previous episodes I have been able to pick out positives, either in actor performances or some snippet of a good storyline. Unfortunately, this episode hit the bottom of the pit, and not even Jack Farthing could save it.

Every storyline was far-fetched or boring, and try as I might, I couldn't find one to comment positively on. All the London action was confusing, uninteresting, and out-of-character for the whole cast of Cornwall, who inexplicably decamped in one big caravan for the capital. Back in Cornwall, Drake and Morwenna get even more silly, and forgery of bank notes dominates as a time filler. Even GC and Cecily mooch around to no purpose.

Surely, it can't get any worse from here?

By the way, what is this strange place with all the circus performers and masks? Isn't there anywhere else in London to go?



-- Edited by Fijane on Tuesday 17th of September 2019 08:27:54 AM

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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

That sounds ridiculous.  The final five books are the longest tomes and to try to cover them in that way would show gross contempt for the material.  

 


 I am both angry and sad about this. Younger folks will be able to hope that some time in the more distant future there might be a good quality production of all the books with ample time for each book. Alas, I am too old now to have any hope of seeing any productions that would do justice to the books. 



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That sounds ridiculous.  The final five books are the longest tomes and to try to cover them in that way would show gross contempt for the material.  

 



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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

From all the info below, I think I made the correct decision to by-pass the whole series.

I would have loved Sue Birtwistle (of P&P 1995 fame) to have produced the entire Poldark books of WG, with her able writing team.

Now it seems, if yet another series is embarked upon,  the storylines will be all messed up for the rest of time.  Who thinks WG would have approved of such meddling?  He was incandescent over the first ever series, when it was wrongly interpreted - he must be turning in his grave over this latest offering.


Mrs G - I am with you on this. Andrew Graham has stipulated that any future productions must have the same actors (Eleanor and Aidan) and presumably he would also stipulate that Debbie Horsfield must be the writer. So there is no hope in my lifetime of seeing a Poldark

dramatisation that stays very close to the books and to the characters. It seems that the plan is to "finish off"the final 5 books in two films. This would mean that each of the last 5 books would get an hour each if they were lucky. It is more than disappointing.



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From all the info below, I think I made the correct decision to by-pass the whole series.

I would have loved Sue Birtwistle (of P&P 1995 fame) to have produced the entire Poldark books of WG, with her able writing team.

Now it seems, if yet another series is embarked upon,  the storylines will be all messed up for the rest of time.  Who thinks WG would have approved of such meddling?  He was incandescent over the first ever series, when it was wrongly interpreted - he must be turning in his grave over this latest offering.



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Ep 4:this was an episode of contrasts for the viewer.

To start on the positive, I thought George and his treatment by Dwight was the best story so far in the season. By extension, I am enjoying Cary's part in this story too. Although, I am sure it would have taken more time, but the tv time is reasonable. It was a lovely contrast to the brutality of the other treatment, to see Dwight's gentle guidance through facing the truth. Brilliant acting by all involved.

I also didn't mind GC and Cecily in this one, and I am glad DH did not make Cecily ignorant of the match a la Morwenna and Ossie.

In some ways, the "baddies" (who I still have trouble working out who is who) employing Tess to entrap Ned was not too badly done, but Tess is still a ridiculously unrealistic character. No explanation of how on earth Ross and Demelza persuaded George to reopen Wheal Plenty. George would have needed a very solid financial benefit which was hard to see. Thank you, DH, for giving us a few glimpses of Harris Pascoe!

I loved the scene where Tess tried to make eyes at Ross, and he slammed her into her place beautifully. Demelza has also had her eyes opened, but she really has to learn to be the boss of all her employees and not their friend.

The school storyline started sweetly but it is now taking over. Giving some four year olds their letters is not going to solve all the poverty of the miners for many many generations, but Demelza seems to think getting a few kids into class will work miracles. Morwenna spying on John Conan was a very poor plot decision, as well as totally deviating from her real story.

As I mentioned in the Dwight and Caroline thread, DH is in the process of destroying Caroline by making her insipid, moochy, inactive and irrationally jealous. Did she feel that, having resolved R & D's jealous tension, she had to transfer the same storyline to another couple?

I notice DH is trying to make Ross and Demelza happy, and inserting some "romantic" scenes. Except that they are just not romantic, mainly because of the dialogue - it is stilted and unconvincing. Viewers want to feel the tingles in their spine, like in the stocking scene. We saw one scene of R&D lying in bed but they lay like logs. Even a gently caressing hand on an arm would have made all the difference.

Promos for next week don't look too promising - back to lots of political stuff and London. We will see.



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Mini you are really making me smile! The idea that George is still wandering around in his nightie is hilarious, he better get in soon because the seasons are just changing over here, and there will be more than a few gusts going under that gown!!!

Fijane, you are spot on too with the helicopter, I have never known so many visits back and forth, DH seems to have forgotten that it took days to get to London?!!!!



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Fijane wrote:

I just read through the links Stella posted.

I want to stand up and yell to the whole world "Everything word that was wonderful in four series was lifted directly from the books. Every wrong word was the writer's. Debbie Horsfield is not a brilliant writer - everything she wrote from her head failed!".

It is so galling to see her being given undeserved credit for the good parts.


 Fijane - I agree with you. If Debbie H had focused on making the series as close to the books as possible, including the actual words spoken, all the series would have been much better. She seems to have beguiled Andrew Graham as he thinks her work is great!.



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I just read through the links Stella posted.

I want to stand up and yell to the whole world "Everything word that was wonderful in four series was lifted directly from the books. Every wrong word was the writer's. Debbie Horsfield is not a brilliant writer - everything she wrote from her head failed!".

It is so galling to see her being given undeserved credit for the good parts.



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Following on from Mini's comments, Episode 2 and 3 now done in Aus. In my opinion, 2 was terrible, 3 slightly redeemed itself.

These are the things I like or don't mind: Geoffrey Charles (the casting is really good, and the actor seems to have read ahead and studied how GC's character developed), the attempts to follow Drake and Morwenna (although I think she has the story wrong), Jack Fathing's acting (exceptional, as before), giving Valentine a story that fits with his destructive adult personality (but he should never be in contact with R & D), Demelza a little better, the scenery, Ross and Demelza having a few loving conversations (yet using modern cliches instead of WGs wonderful love-making), Morwenna's interest in the education of the children (however, I can't believe that there wasn't already little schools, at least until the kids went down the mines - I am sure WG mentions them. The story implies that Morwenna is this great superhero who invents the concept of education as a way out of poverty).

However, 80-90% of each episode is either illogical, historically inaccurate, boring or just plain dross. I would be happy to remove Ned and Kitty and all the people associated with their story altogether. Making comparisons between Demelza and Kitty has been flogged and then tied to the threat that Tess is trying to steal Ross. George's mental illness was interesting to a point, but DH has overegged it of course. I don't like Cecily (she is like a 2019 teen dressed in period costume - we have even seen her rolling her eyes), and she and GC are doing a terrible job for a pair who are meant to be carrying on a secret relationship. Why did we see Clowance looking lingeringly at Trenwith at the gate - was DH trying to anticipate TSFTS about 10 years too early? For some reason, the whole mine rescue did not ring true. I understand that it was there to underline Ned's recklessness, but how did the earth rumble and no-one was concerned about further falls?

The characters jump from place to place and time to time in a most confusing way. London must be as small as Sawle, the way everyone keeps running into each other. Dwight and Caroline must have a helicopter. As mentioned, suddenly they hosted a social occasion where Lady Whitworth was happy to be in company with blacksmith Drake, with no apparent reason. She would never have done that. Why didn't R&D or GC just take Valentine back immediately - wouldn't any reasonable person do that, expecting that there would be extreme worry about his whereabouts?

One of my biggest gripes is DH's seeming inability to grasp the historical context, and in particular her constant crossing of class lines. She makes a huge deal of virtue-signalling the race issue, and yet has no idea about keeping the layers of class as they were. It was a much bigger deal in those times for someone to step out of their position in life and show impertinence or disrespect, than it was to spit on a coloured person. DH loves to mix everyone up, allow them to party together, and give the miners a say in how the mines are run. Just wrong.

Unfortunately, I could go on for a lot longer, but won't as I think many things have already been said. It is ironic that I am not at the point where I don't want to watch anymore. There must be enough to keep my interest in the few good things. In some ways, all the "fake" storylines are easier to watch because they are divorced from the real story and I can switch my brain over (except that so far they are a bit boring). I gather from reading ahead that my hopes that Harriet might appear early are not likely. Her story is fantastic, and I can't understand why DH wouldn't try to use it now.



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Tabetha wrote:

I don't have anything like netflix, but I read a lot about The Crown in the press. From what I can gather they have recast the actors for the new series as there is a time gap. This does not sound unpopular, quite the opposite, there seems to be great anticipation.

Maybe this could have happened with Poldark and we could have gone without the awful series 5?


 There was a later adaptation of TSFTS with different cast members from the original series with Robin Ellis but as far as I know it didn't really catch on.



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Okay, that's Ep 3 out of the way here in Australia. The best things about it were, as ever, the evocative title sequence and the glorious theme music. Did I count correctly that there were at least three mentions of 'that night', just to remind us that Demelza it was who made the moves on Ross? It seemed more than a little heavy-handed. But then, the conversation between the women about how they snared their men seemed utterly anachronistic. I don't know how women talked about their premarital sex lives back then but I suspect this wasn't quite it. Far too contrived and 'modern'. 

 

And then there's the treatment of poor George. Medically accurate but rather too melodramatic for my liking. Wandering the moors in his nightie, like a reject from Wuthering Heights, only to find 'his' son clasped to the warm bosom of the Poldarks! Dearie me! Luckily, he will have forgotten all about these episodes by the time he strides into 'The Stranger From The Sea'. If I remember correctly, (and I confess I've read the books only once) in the books we next see Valentine during that rather strange and cryptic meeting on the beach with Ross. I suspect that there'd be a bit of dissonance if we were to have the rest of the novels dramatised. If DH isn't planning any further series then she is able to muck up WG's character arcs, grumble, grumble....t'ain't right...

 

And Doctor Enys is becoming the keeper of secrets. I can't recall how much he knew about people in the books but I quite like this TV aspect. I'm always happy to see his worried, sweet face.

 

As for the mine disaster .... Whew! Destruction, death, upperclass horribleness, valiant and crazy rescue efforts, Lord Of The Rings-type chasm leaping, dead extras galore, lots of emoting, sneaky emotional manipulation by Uncle Cary, and all in the space of about a minute and a half!

 

Somehow I missed the reason for the evening gathering at which lowly Carnes got to mingle with the likes of the moneyed gentry and where there were ample opportunities for conflict. Perhaps I'll go away and read an episode summary. (I'm very fond of The Guardian's running commentary.)

 

On the bright side, I loved Morwenna's little pop-up school. 



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I don't have anything like netflix, but I read a lot about The Crown in the press. From what I can gather they have recast the actors for the new series as there is a time gap. This does not sound unpopular, quite the opposite, there seems to be great anticipation.

Maybe this could have happened with Poldark and we could have gone without the awful series 5?



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I googled "Invasions of Britain" and found via Wikipedia that there was a short invasion by a small French group in 1797 in Wales.  This was cut short quickly.  There was an invasion planned by napolean's troops in 1803 but it never materialized.  



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Can someone tell me how period accurate was the final episode, were there French spies in England, or anything like that?

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Here are three reviews of the final episode of series 5.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7396617/Viewers-slam-Poldark-finale-appaling-confusing.html?fbclid=IwAR0NvGtNzAe1mOsLu6Q5DaatPxZ7KWu1_vLFsr7fBW7ZuMMZxePQcEmxQtM#i-5eab6fd097639ef7

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2019/08/27/espionage-waterloo-west-end-happened-next-poldark/?fbclid=IwAR2k5XEV4zkdBls6fVagImUicsQRq5N-yLn0ljL3gP9mekcypmdzSKA6Fnk

 

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/aug/26/poldark-final-episode-review-as-gloriously-hammy-and-cheesy-as-a-croque-monsieur?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX01lZGlhQnJpZWZpbmctMTkwODI3&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=MediaBriefing&CMP=media_email

 

They are bad reviews and I agree with them. Series 5 has been even more disastrous than other series. 



-- Edited by Stella Poldark on Tuesday 27th of August 2019 12:29:56 PM

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Well Australia has seen a couple of eps now & I must say I am not enamoured of Ms Horsfield's 'gap year' stories. All the comments above echo my feelings & although I'm watching , and will continue to watch, it's out of curiosity and respect to Winston Graham.


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Scarcely anyone is saying anything positive about this series. I agree with Mrs Enys that it would have been better to recast and produce the final 5 books and with another writer.

Mini - I think that the one interesting part of this is Valentine and his treatment by George and Cary. He is ignored as if he doesn't exist and I think this might be the most accurate aspect of series 5 or perhaps the only accurate part. 



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With two episodes watched so far, I'm feeling rather detached. I sense a sort of desperation in the writing (plots! assassins! anachronistic social issues! Oh my!) plus a lack of real understanding of the actual issues which arose from the books. George's delusions are way too pat, and if Drake and Morwenna trot through the same dialogue again, I may be forced to write some fanfiction. We know they'll eventually get around to it but the process feels so dragged out. That annoying habit of cutting scenes ridiculously short doesn't help. As for Tess..... But I'll keep watching even though there's something missing. It feels flat and repetitive so far.

 

One thing I will add - this series reminds me of why I feel so sad about Valentine. His was such a screwed-up life. WG later turned him into an unlikeable young man but with very good reason.



-- Edited by Mini on Monday 26th of August 2019 02:55:57 AM

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Here is a quote from a newspaper article about series 5 of Poldark.

"The final season even has an admirer in Andrew Graham, son of Poldark author Winston Graham, who gave the series his blessing. Speaking in his role as a series consultant for the writers estate, Graham admitted: No-one can know what my father would have felt about the forthcoming series, let alone what he might have written. Debbie Horsfield has demonstrated such an extraordinary affinity with his work and has shown such remarkable skill in bringing his Poldark characters to the screen that we know we are in safe hands. Without her, the Estate would not have agreed to series five in this form.

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/23/when-is-poldark-on-and-what-has-aidan-turner-said-about-the-finale-10621414/?fbclid=IwAR2FpL0nhxRaBliJ6lYC-5QUciMjlwyQq85M73Pz12LE7ZiwMk5VvSh_7w8?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

 

My reaction to this is to wonder how Andrew Graham can say this especially as many fans of the latest Poldark saga have expressed their disappointment with series 5 and feel that Debbie Horsfield has not kept to WG's writing, even contradicting it several times.



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This is what worried me when I realised that this series was going to be based on DH imaginings of the ten year gap between books. I was concerned she would skew the storyline and therefore influence any future adaptation of the remaining books.

Morwenna deliberately left her infant son with his grandmother and had no wish to see him again. It wasnt easy for her to do that but she knew he would be brought up to follow in his fathers footsteps and any attempt by her to influence his character would be forbidden by lady whitWorth. She would never have attempted to see John Conan as it would have been futile and She had already decided that part of her life was over and to move forward required no looking back. This silly storyline that DH has contrived will now make a mockery of any future adaptation showing Morwenna shocked and repulsed by the sudden meeting with her 15 year old son. 


 Mrs Enys - you are right about Morwenna meeting her 15 year old son and her reaction and also about all the changes to the books that would catch up with Debbie Horsfield's changes. I do not think there will be any more Poldark series from Mammoth so if anyone wants to create the Poldarks again they would need to start  from the beginning. I do wonder if it is asking too much of actors to play these roles for 7 or 8 years. The only solution is to have new actors after The Angry Tide. 


if it was up to me, and I'm afraid The Aidan Turner fans would hate me for it , I would have recast and carried on with the books .

im old enough to remember the passion and loyalty that Robin Ellis inspired with his portrayal of Ross and how long it went on for. I went to a Poldark fan club lunch in 1993, roughly twenty years after the first adaptation and Robin Ellis was the main attraction, even more than Winston Graham who was also there. This character Ross does seem to appeal to many many women and it would seem that the actor who plays him attracts that same level of interest. i met Aidan Turner just before the first series aired and I told him , when he signed his autograph on my copy of Ross Poldark  that he would be doing that for the next 20 years. I don't think he believed me... 



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I am waiting to comment on the series when I can finally see it at the end of September but from what I've heard and bits I've seen there are a lot of things I can't relate to at all i.e., Drake kidnapping Conan and the whole George talking to Elizabeth thing seems to be overdone.  Having the school is a nice touch but it really didn't happen.  But I am really glad DH didn't go into the future 5 books as at least they have been left intact.



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Fijane wrote:

This past Sunday was the debut of the new series in Australia, and I have just watched the recording. My thoughts:

1. Overarching everything else is the confirmation that without WG, Debbie Horsfield is at best a mildly competent writer. She has ridden on his coattails for four seasons, and now will be exposed for her own abilities. I find some satisfaction in that, as I can now point out to people that the best of the four seasons has been when the story and dialogue was WGs and the worst when it was invented by DH.

2. The whole production style is too choppy, with most scenes involving only a few lines (and many of those are cliches). When you are inserting new characters and stories, chopping from scene to scene is not your friend. The viewer needs some depth to understand.

3. There were good parts: Drake and Morwenna are wonderful, but need more time and more dialogue; Dwight and Caroline are good; Demelza is not too bolshie (although I don't expect that to last). In this episode, I thought George's storyline was good, and relatively true to WGs reflections that George went off a bit after Elizabeth died. But I don't think it should go any further, which I gather it does from reading comments.

4. There are lots of little inaccuracies: Clowance and Geoffrey Charles are too old and Jeremy too young; again, the characters jump from location to location as if they had helicopters, the dinner in the hall at Trenwith was illogical, and Morwenna's willingness to be there at odds with her past; GC just going straight up to Cecily and talking to her without any introduction etc. The mine needs a mine manager, who should be dealing with the out-of-work miners, not Demelza.

5. Most annoyingly, constant references to modern social issues. I was not bothered about the slavery issue (in this episode) as much as the constant slights about "free speech", and then portraying Kitty as superior because she wanted the preacher to speak on the basis of everyone being allowed to speak. Firstly, no person of that time would be so disrespectful to the church to be groaning and heckling that man like they did, and secondly, while Kitty was applauded for "allowing" the man to speak, the producers did not afford the character the same respect, fading him out immediately.

6. Worst part of the show: The whole storyline revolving around Tess, and later Prudie. Of course, Prudie has been terrible from S1 E1, and just continued deteriorating throughout, but leaving her in charge of Nampara - just plain silly. The writer seems to have no concept of the class divisions of the time, and constantly shows the poorer people being aggressive and impertinent to the gentry. In creating "Tess", DH has made yet another unrealistic woman of the times, as if she is the leader of the pack and all those miners are her lackies. She feels very fake, and obviously a plot device to pretend that there is trouble at Nampara while Ross is away. They have also hinted at a duplication of Sam's relationship with Emma.

Overall, though, I didn't mind the episode too much. Unlike many others, I found the Ned storyline okay, I think because I can box it away from the real Poldark story.

As there is to be no sixth series, I think DH should have just pulled whatever storylines she could from the future. Harriet could easily have been pulled forward to 1801, and as others have mentioned much more made of Jeremy's interest in steam (just starting younger). Instead of Ned Despard, we could have jumped directly to George Canning and the trips to France, Caroline should have Sophie around this time. Instead of Tess, we could have had the Thomas brothers leading to more stories about the villagers. I would also like to see the family interacting with the local gentry again, they seem very isolated to Nampara when at home.


Andrew Graham had input into Debbie's writing all the way through but I imagine even more so for series 5. She has never done an adaptation before and it shows I think. While it's true she cannot portray everything in the books so has to find a way of including some aspects differently, but she doesn't have to stray as far from the books as she has.

I think there was way too much Despard but of course she had to show us his character but I was left feeling that this series was not so much about the Poldarks at all but more about the Despards. I agree with you Fijane that there was no need to have the Despards and your suggestions are good ones I think.



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This past Sunday was the debut of the new series in Australia, and I have just watched the recording. My thoughts:

1. Overarching everything else is the confirmation that without WG, Debbie Horsfield is at best a mildly competent writer. She has ridden on his coattails for four seasons, and now will be exposed for her own abilities. I find some satisfaction in that, as I can now point out to people that the best of the four seasons has been when the story and dialogue was WGs and the worst when it was invented by DH.

2. The whole production style is too choppy, with most scenes involving only a few lines (and many of those are cliches). When you are inserting new characters and stories, chopping from scene to scene is not your friend. The viewer needs some depth to understand.

3. There were good parts: Drake and Morwenna are wonderful, but need more time and more dialogue; Dwight and Caroline are good; Demelza is not too bolshie (although I don't expect that to last). In this episode, I thought George's storyline was good, and relatively true to WGs reflections that George went off a bit after Elizabeth died. But I don't think it should go any further, which I gather it does from reading comments.

4. There are lots of little inaccuracies: Clowance and Geoffrey Charles are too old and Jeremy too young; again, the characters jump from location to location as if they had helicopters, the dinner in the hall at Trenwith was illogical, and Morwenna's willingness to be there at odds with her past; GC just going straight up to Cecily and talking to her without any introduction etc. The mine needs a mine manager, who should be dealing with the out-of-work miners, not Demelza.

5. Most annoyingly, constant references to modern social issues. I was not bothered about the slavery issue (in this episode) as much as the constant slights about "free speech", and then portraying Kitty as superior because she wanted the preacher to speak on the basis of everyone being allowed to speak. Firstly, no person of that time would be so disrespectful to the church to be groaning and heckling that man like they did, and secondly, while Kitty was applauded for "allowing" the man to speak, the producers did not afford the character the same respect, fading him out immediately.

6. Worst part of the show: The whole storyline revolving around Tess, and later Prudie. Of course, Prudie has been terrible from S1 E1, and just continued deteriorating throughout, but leaving her in charge of Nampara - just plain silly. The writer seems to have no concept of the class divisions of the time, and constantly shows the poorer people being aggressive and impertinent to the gentry. In creating "Tess", DH has made yet another unrealistic woman of the times, as if she is the leader of the pack and all those miners are her lackies. She feels very fake, and obviously a plot device to pretend that there is trouble at Nampara while Ross is away. They have also hinted at a duplication of Sam's relationship with Emma.

Overall, though, I didn't mind the episode too much. Unlike many others, I found the Ned storyline okay, I think because I can box it away from the real Poldark story.

As there is to be no sixth series, I think DH should have just pulled whatever storylines she could from the future. Harriet could easily have been pulled forward to 1801, and as others have mentioned much more made of Jeremy's interest in steam (just starting younger). Instead of Ned Despard, we could have jumped directly to George Canning and the trips to France, Caroline should have Sophie around this time. Instead of Tess, we could have had the Thomas brothers leading to more stories about the villagers. I would also like to see the family interacting with the local gentry again, they seem very isolated to Nampara when at home.



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I noticed a bit of a backlash online regarding the change in scheduling for the final two episodes of this series. Some are unhappy that it appears that Poldark has been demoted to 8pm allowing for the opener to the nest series of Peaky Blinders (an outstanding drama in my eyes) to start at 9pm. 

I am not bothered by the time myself as I will watch both, but I think that the change may be partly down to the lack of impact of series five. (Probably cementing the fact that it should not have been made in the first place).

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This is what worried me when I realised that this series was going to be based on DH imaginings of the ten year gap between books. I was concerned she would skew the storyline and therefore influence any future adaptation of the remaining books.

Morwenna deliberately left her infant son with his grandmother and had no wish to see him again. It wasnt easy for her to do that but she knew he would be brought up to follow in his fathers footsteps and any attempt by her to influence his character would be forbidden by lady whitWorth. She would never have attempted to see John Conan as it would have been futile and She had already decided that part of her life was over and to move forward required no looking back. This silly storyline that DH has contrived will now make a mockery of any future adaptation showing Morwenna shocked and repulsed by the sudden meeting with her 15 year old son. 


 Mrs Enys - you are right about Morwenna meeting her 15 year old son and her reaction and also about all the changes to the books that would catch up with Debbie Horsfield's changes. I do not think there will be any more Poldark series from Mammoth so if anyone wants to create the Poldarks again they would need to start  from the beginning. I do wonder if it is asking too much of actors to play these roles for 7 or 8 years. The only solution is to have new actors after The Angry Tide. 



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This is what worried me when I realised that this series was going to be based on DH imaginings of the ten year gap between books. I was concerned she would skew the storyline and therefore influence any future adaptation of the remaining books.

Morwenna deliberately left her infant son with his grandmother and had no wish to see him again. It wasnt easy for her to do that but she knew he would be brought up to follow in his fathers footsteps and any attempt by her to influence his character would be forbidden by lady whitWorth. She would never have attempted to see John Conan as it would have been futile and She had already decided that part of her life was over and to move forward required no looking back. This silly storyline that DH has contrived will now make a mockery of any future adaptation showing Morwenna shocked and repulsed by the sudden meeting with her 15 year old son. 



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Hi, can someone tell me how is Morwenna's character in the books over her son John Connan? Because as I can remember she disliked/hated him.

She sort of had a panic attack when she saw him at a party in Trenwith.

 

So I don't know if I understood it well.



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Exactly like all the other seasons - just enough loveliness and good scenes to keep me happy. 



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I have been watching a good number of fairly long clips from the new series and I think I must disconnect this series from WG's Poldark.  There is simply no book, no dialogue, from WG. It is all fiction and not WGs.  Ned Despard may have existed but I'm pretty sure he didn't know Ross Poldark so all this must distort his real life.  I fear the whole series is about him and why make him such a major character when he and his wife are so like R and D.  There never was enough about the gap years in the last books to make a series.   I wonder who amongst us would have imagined George as he is in this series.  Thank heavens it's only 2 years of the gap time.  Have to watch it though.


 Little Henry - I think the first two episodes, which set the scene for this series, were dreadful. The third episode, which I watched yesterday, was, in contrast, rather lovely even though it came from no book.  I shall continue to watch series 5 for what it is and it is possible I shall enjoy it. I did not expect to be writing this but rather to be far more critical. If it's WG you want don't watch it but you may find that from episode 3 onwards it can be entertaining



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I have been watching a good number of fairly long clips from the new series and I think I must disconnect this series from WG's Poldark.  There is simply no book, no dialogue, from WG. It is all fiction and not WGs.  Ned Despard may have existed but I'm pretty sure he didn't know Ross Poldark so all this must distort his real life.  I fear the whole series is about him and why make him such a major character when he and his wife are so like R and D.  There never was enough about the gap years in the last books to make a series.   I wonder who amongst us would have imagined George as he is in this series.  Thank heavens it's only 2 years of the gap time.  Have to watch it though.



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We are just a handful of people who are just too loyal to the Poldark books and to Winston Graham. When you try to say to other people the series is not as the books, and you say to others in capital letters you ruined the show by not following the books, the people treat you like a dumb headed person. They say it's based on the books, but if it is based on the books why isn't there John and Jane Gimlett? Can you believe someone said Ned Despard is real Google it! I know pretty well Ned did exist but there weren't any mention of him in the later books. This whole forum is like non-existent to other people, they just assume Debbie Horsfield did a great job, and done the series so good it's almost better than to listen to an audiobook of Poldark or "to waste your time reading the books". So please don't be hard on me, I'm just to the limit of this cliff staring dramedy.

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Has anyone noticed that the ages of the children are not right. Jeremy looks younger than Clowance! confuse The first two episodes hit us with many characters that are not in any of the books. I am trying to disconnect this series in my mind from anything else Poldark but it's impossible. Having now watched 2 episodes  I shall continue with it but it makes me angry that DH has been allowed to produce this series. I am hoping that Ned Despard gets killed off very soon even though he is a good man.



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ModernPoldark,

Your post reminded me that I first watched the original series in the 1970's with my mother and sister (I was the only one with the right channel).  We were completely ignorant of the books but we all thoroughly enjoyed it.  I only know now after reading the books that it was "wrong" in many ways.  The memory of that time was what made me watch the new series and I realized that the only things I really remembered were the family getting together, and Ross and Demelza.  I watch it alone now (happily) as my mother has passed on and my sister won't watch it because she enjoyed the first one so much.  I'll always be grateful that the new series brought me to the books so long after I had first watched it.  In the years to come I'll probably remember the sharing of opinions and feelings with the Poldark Society.  But I'll always be glad of people enjoying Poldark in any form even though I, too, am cringing at some of the things I'm hearing.



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As you may have read from my topic entitled "horrified" I was not in a positive frame of mind about DH's series five. I have resisted commenting so far, thinking I would give the series a chance.

I had to watch episode one twice to get a clear picture of what is going on, the character links etc I did enjoy the episode better second time around. However, I am still disappointed....

The plot line and characters are just too 'set up', and I too am surprised it was sanctioned by Andrew Graham.

I did post my views on Twitter, but not everyone seemed to understand, bar a few fellow traditionalists. 

I will continue to watch series five, but I will always regret that the DH was sanctioned to write her own version of the Poldark saga.



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Oh my goodness, after I saw the second episode of season five, I cringed and I'm still cringing. Everything is just wrong. The saddest part is my brother and mom didn't read the books so they think DH did a "great job" and honestly I think she butchered the whole works of Winston Graham. I'm sort of forced to watch the show, because it's when we have your family time. It's a pity that there isn't a good honest YouTube or even a Facebook book vs. show review, so that everyone can see the series is absolutely not the same as the books.


 Welcome Modern Poldark. You are far from being alone. As far as I can see the majority of people who have watched the first two episodes are very critical of them. UK newspapers are writing against this series too. 



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Oh my goodness, after I saw the second episode of season five, I cringed and I'm still cringing. Everything is just wrong. The saddest part is my brother and mom didn't read the books so they think DH did a "great job" and honestly I think she butchered the whole works of Winston Graham. I'm sort of forced to watch the show, because it's when we have your family time. It's a pity that there isn't a good honest YouTube or even a Facebook book vs. show review, so that everyone can see the series is absolutely not the same as the books.

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I decided to have a look on iplayer at the first episode of series 5.

Not entirely sure why I bothered - what is Andrew Graham thinking of to allow this to happen?  I always thought a series written entirely by DH would be a liability compared with the brilliant books, but this is just ill thought out and inaccurate for the times it is meant to portray, so far as the Poldark family and Cornwall is concerned.  I could never understand why Dwight was introduced as having fought with Ross in America; WGs version was so much more plausible and gave opportunity for him and Ross to get to know each other around the story of Keren.  Now another character has emerged from Ross' American past - it's all so unnecessary in my opinion.  As for the rest of the hour...

Yes, there was a degree of unrest amongst the miners, but never to the extent of arson and civil unrest. 

Needless to say I shall not be bothering with any further episodes.  My imagination can fill in those 'missing' ten years quite adequately.

Back to the old volumes for me...

Mrs G


 Mrs G - I understand how you feel. I am watching this series but I never stop reading the books. Right now I am re-reading 'The Black Moon'. Each time I re-read a book I find things I have missed in previous readings. There are many questions that arise in these books and many of them are not answered.  I think perhaps WG left too much to our imagination.



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I decided to have a look on iplayer at the first episode of series 5.

Not entirely sure why I bothered - what is Andrew Graham thinking of to allow this to happen?  I always thought a series written entirely by DH would be a liability compared with the brilliant books, but this is just ill thought out and inaccurate for the times it is meant to portray, so far as the Poldark family and Cornwall is concerned.  I could never understand why Dwight was introduced as having fought with Ross in America; WGs version was so much more plausible and gave opportunity for him and Ross to get to know each other around the story of Keren.  Now another character has emerged from Ross' American past - it's all so unnecessary in my opinion.  As for the rest of the hour...

Yes, there was a degree of unrest amongst the miners, but never to the extent of arson and civil unrest. 

Needless to say I shall not be bothering with any further episodes.  My imagination can fill in those 'missing' ten years quite adequately.

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Here in Australia we have no screening dates yet. Like many, I'm curious to see how it will unfold. It won't be Winston Graham's vision, well not entirely, so am concerned. Also, like many, I'm glad the wonderful novels are being appreciated once again.


 Smollett - Here is a link to all the start dates  .https://andrew-gower.co.uk/2019/07/17/poldark-s5-international-air-dates/

Australia's screening date is Saturday 17th August - more than a month before the US air date of 29th September.

From what I have read, this season will have almost no connection to the books but there is a thought-provoking exchange between Ross and George in episode 2 (the trailer) which suggests part of this series at least might be interesting.



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Here in Australia we have no screening dates yet. Like many, I'm curious to see how it will unfold. It won't be Winston Graham's vision, well not entirely, so am concerned. Also, like many, I'm glad the wonderful novels are being appreciated once again.

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Thanks Stella.  As I'm not as excited to see this series as the others, I won't pay to get it.  I did watch Poldarkdish to get the gist of it.  I feel sad that it's not really WG's story.  Hope it's successful though as I like to see Poldark popular and it brings people to the books.


 Little Henry - Like you, I'm not as excited to see this series either and so far it's not looking that good. It's been talked up in the UK more than any other series although I had difficulty following and understanding much of what was going on in the first episode. I share your sadness that it's not based on the work of WG apart from snippets from book 8 which look back to the 10 year gap. Series 5 covers only 2 years - 1800 to 1802 yet DH has already, in episode 1, invented a great deal.  I am amazed that Andrew Graham has associated himself with it. confuse



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Thanks Stella.  As I'm not as excited to see this series as the others, I won't pay to get it.  I did watch Poldarkdish to get the gist of it.  I feel sad that it's not really WG's story.  Hope it's successful though as I like to see Poldark popular and it brings people to the books.



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Little Henry - I am told that catchup t.v. is dead now. A friend of mine in the US is using  transponder.tv but it costs.



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Little Henry wrote:

TV Catchup doesn't seem to be in service anymore so I'll have to wait until the end of September to see the series.  Might catch some of it on youtube I suppose.


 I am sorry to hear this and will look on Facebook to see what people are doing there. The first episode was, in my opinion, far worse than I thought it would be. Which country are you in?



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TV Catchup doesn't seem to be in service anymore so I'll have to wait until the end of September to see the series.  Might catch some of it on youtube I suppose.



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For those who have the time here is a link to the BBC's Media pack for series 5 of Poldark. It is very detailed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/poldark5?fbclid=IwAR1od1B4FXUI0frT3QkDruj7s7zBbBp8Rsz_gqwcn7kByxqlcRQ54_Qh5IU



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