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Oh My! What a question. I feel there are as many answers as there are people. We all need the basic same thing, but with personal idiosyncrises. & History tells us that notions alter . I can't answer the question as I don't know. 



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Is there such a thing as perfect love?  Even in "well written" fiction?  I wonder.



-- Edited by LJones41 on Monday 8th of February 2016 05:49:49 AM


 The answer is no.  Stories are written by imperfect people, so how can there be a perfect love story and there is no such thing as a happily ever after. It should be they lived a rich life, filled with tears and laughter, joy and pain, sorrow and happiness, but most of all with love. That's the ending we all want to a truly wonderful love story.



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Is there such a thing as perfect love?  Even in "well written" fiction?  I wonder.



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Hi Lori, Morwenna is right and it's also the home of the ancient monument of Stonehenge, which I'm sure you'll have heard of as it's one of the most well known and widely visted places in the UK.  Good luck with your family tree research biggrin



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Lori, Amesbury is in Wiltshire I think, which is next to Dorset and Somerset. It is not far from the West Country you know!

 

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..and don't forget to call in at the delightful tea room at Kynance Cove (accessible by foot only I think) for a clotted cream tea!



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Any time you are passing, Lori, do drop in.

The Lizard peninsula is a beautiful area, designated an 'area of outstanding natural beauty'.  It is the southernmost part of UK, and has rugged flower strewn cliffs, lovely sandy coves and beaches and stretches of moorland (known as downs). A rare type of rock is found there, which when polished is a very attractive red, brown or green, and is known as serpentine, hence the name,  Lizard.

 In 1901, Marconi sent the first radio signals in Morse Code across the Atlantic from Poldhu Cove, and the Transatlantic communications cable was later laid on the ocean bed from near there.

There is no mention of  Lizard in the Poldark books, but the Cornish chough (a black bird with red legs - crow family), a rare bird now, lives there,  together with other rare species of plant and butterfly.  Apart from the Royal Naval Air Search centre, which is not really on the peninsula but is a vital unit for those at sea and in trouble, very few people live there.  Many footpaths criss-cross the area and it is ideal for a day's ramble.

Luckily there are some strategically placed pubs - for refreshment you understand.  You could Google Earth it if you are really interested.

I have just remembered; if you have a copy of Robin Ellis' Making Poldark, there is a picture of Lizard lighthouse in it.

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bronny Are you not from England? I see from your picture you have there right?

 No I am Australian and live in South Australia - but I have lived in England twice....the second time was when this photo was taken...

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Hello everyone!

Nampara girl  AAWW I'm so sorry you are sadcry My youngest has just graduated from the accounting program at college and has a job offer two thousand miles away. He will be moving away at the end of August and I have been very sad . cry You will have fun going to visit and she picked the BEST place to go!! I think back in the day of Poldark when people left there families sometimes never to see each other again. THAT would be hard I think.

 

MRS G. Would you take me home to live with you!!!biggrin May I ask what and where is Lizard?

CHAR NANFAN Your land sounds and looks truely lovely.

bronny Are you not from England? I see from your picture you have there right?

Dwight Christmas in Cornwall! Sounds like a wonderful dream to me *sighs*

Bella Aww Bella I fear I shall never see Cornwall either. Unless pure luck happens upon me! By the way not only the electric bill how about the water bill too!!!

Morwenna and Verity Hello to you both as well! It has been such pleasure coming here and chatting with all of you. I will be away for awhile I leave Tuesday for New York and will return the following Monday but I have something I would like to share with you guys since I am an English "Wannabe" haha! I have been doing some genealogy searching and I have ancestors from Amesbury England have any of you heard of it? Well I am continuing on in the series Mark Danial has just escaped and Demelza has just told Francis she was behind Veritys leaving oh boy Francis is MAD!!!



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Yes - I spotted Francis masquerading as a school teacher!  Takes you right back into Poldarkland when these things happen.      smile.gif



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Yes Bells! I couldn't think who the actor was, though I recognised him.

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Hi Everyone

Can we stop all this sweet talk of going to Cornwall please, it do seem hugely unfair to those of us that never ever get there!no.gif

Namps, don't be feeling sad bout your little 'un going to University....my sweet Emily left me last year to go to Bangor, and my gorgeous Katherine is off to Birmingham City in September....why oh why couldn't one of them be off to Falmouth? WHY?

On the positive side, I will be saving on my electricity bill nod.gif

Did anyone see Clive Francis in 'My Family' last night ?

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We've spent several Christmases in Cornwall, usually in our beautiful Coverack on the Lizard. Even took part in the Coverack Harbour Christmas Morning swim a couple of years ago. At least in the winter there aren't so many emmets around.

 

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 All this talk of Cornwall is making me long for England! I'm a bit strange - I prefer Cornwall in the winter rather than the summer....

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Aw, all this talk of cornwall is making me long for my holiday!

Im sure you will miss your daughter hugely, nampara girl but it sounds like she will have an amazing time in a place she is happy in and like you said, a great excuse to visit her.

Mrs Gimlet, i do envy you living in Cornwall, I think one of the many things i love about it is it feels very familiar to me. I m not sure if its down to years of reading poldark or the similarities with the  north east where i grew up. Both areas have some beautiful picturesque scenery but there is also a more bleak rugged beauty and both still display the remnants of their industrial past.



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It's a date Mrs G, I shall need some tea and sympathy when we drop her off cry



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I will listen out for her, Namps!!

My 'babies' - in their 30s - come to Cornwall to visit me, which is lovely.  When you live in a place like this you are never short of guests.... Went to Lizard the other day - absolutely beautiful - emerald sea and clean newly-washed beach.  I love that area. A few sightings of basking sharks this year too, and of course, dolphins.

You will have to stop by Nampara one day and I will brew you a pot of tea and make a pasty!

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Only 3 months to go before my baby leaves to live in Cornwall at Falmouth University for the next 3 years and then, who knows, maybe for longer.  How can the years have flown by so quickly? Have to admit that I am filled with a mixture of extreme excitement, trepidation tinged with an aching sadness, as it's difficult to imagine not having her loud, bubbly, extremely loving and cheerful little soul, rushing about the place, oozing happiness and infecting everyone with her natural spirit of positivity, sheer love of life and overly developed sense of the dramatic in all things.  Life will surely be much quieter from September and we will almost certainly feel more than a little bereft for a time.

On the plus side, how great will it be to visit her in our most beloved and favorite place  .. that's the bit we're absolutely looking forward to, at least those red cross parcel deliveries and mercy dashes to stock up her poor student cupboards, will be a doubly pleasurable experience ... much nicer than travelling to some other Uni's I could name.  So, watch out Cornwall, get ready to welcome an extremely exuberant little lady, with a very loud voice, extrovert nature and highly dramatic temperament very much like the lovely Bella .... one thing's for sure, it will be full of fun!!

 






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Hi Lori! Yes I've been before - I've been going since I was little. I want to live down there when I'm older. Jump across the pond, Cornwall is beautiful!

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Lovely post Namps....
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Oh Lori, what a wonderful time you have ahead of you. Reading these fabulous books for the first time is such a special experience as you step into the Poldark world and discover the delights that WG created for his readers.  I've lost count of the number of times I've re-read them all, each read seems more magical than the last.  The TV series was phenomenal and the casting superb, but the books tell us so much more about the intimate lives of the characters with the wonderful descriptions about their thoughts, feelings and relationships, not to mention the picture WG so vividly paints of the Cornish landscape and the magnificence of the coastline, with its jagged rocks, beautiful beaches and constantly changing sea.  I can never imagine a world without the joy of Poldark in it and WG will always be my favourite author.  I know you will feel the same. wink



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bronny- I must agree with you on that! He did indeed referance  her in that way. Oh sooo much more in the book I  am thrilled to have found them and the series! I have just read that Ross went into town (on the way to free Jim from prison) and ordered Demela a dress for The Grand Assembly and ball  and the Warleggen party as a surprise! He is so thoughtful of her, I wish they would have spent a little more time on there relationship in the series it does not come across so well for me and how playful they are with each other! Teasing with the invitation and giggeling and laughing with each other, but I guess there is not as much "drama" in that! I told myself I would wait and watch the series again AFTER I read all the books but alas I am going on holiday next week to New York and I think I will be bringing the DVDs with me, it is a long trip!

And good day to you MRS GIMLETT! You have now been officially introduced to me via the novel, you and John of course! And the narration of your vocabulary is waaay more easy to comprehend I might add! Although my heart still belongs to those hapless Paynters!!! I have just begun to get a glimpe of you both and hope to read more of you soon! And OHHH sooo enamoured with the thought of actually LIVING in Cornwall! I envy you so!!! WG was VERY gifted in his writing and accuracy you are right about THAT! And the company you keep! How grand to be reminded of this wonderful story simply by hearing the name of your friends seems to make it come to life that much more!

The books are more indepth with Ross and Demelza, Elizabeth and Francis that is for sure...do all of you guys get the same impression from the books, that even though Ross asks after Elizabeth to Verity often in the beginning, it seems more out of politeness then true amour. I havent quite reached the point of being convinced that he is over Elizabeth yet, but there is no doubt he loves Demelza! Please tell me your thoughts in how you perceive WG has written these charectars and when you first noticed the transition in Ross's feelings.

 Morwenna! Lucky you! And yes I will be jealous!!! It sounds like  a fair amount of Poldark name recognition will be in Cornwall keep an eye out for the Poldarks!!! Maybe you can take tea with  Jane and catch up on old times!! What will the weather be like there at Christmas time? Maybe instead of the pool you can take a "dip in the sea"! The pictures I have seen on the internet show a very lovely place I should hope some day to visit .*sigh* Have you ever gone before or is this your first time? I wondeer if there will be "Poldark" recognition there in souvenirs and such? Maybe Jane would know.

Well since I am from "across the pond" I can only romanticize of your beautiful land. We just celebrated our 235th birthday here on the 4th of July and I thought about Ross Poldark and the time in which he was created. What a wonderful world we all live in!

 



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Guess who's going to Cornwall in August? And guess who's spending Christmas there? Got a log cabin with a roaring fire and a swimming pool too, just perrrrfect. Be jealous everyone!

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 You lucky thing!!!! Enjoy....

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Guess who's going to Cornwall in August? And guess who's spending Christmas there? Got a log cabin with a roaring fire and a swimming pool too, just perrrrfect. Be jealous everyone!

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Good day to you, Lori,

Yes Mrs Gimlett really is a character - but I will not spoil your reading by elaborating!  Trust me, you will encounter her and her husband.

In the first editions of Ross Poldark and Demelza there are many more scenes and descriptions of Ross, Demelza, Francis and Elizabeth.  Also there are sections which describe the plan of Nampara and its land. 

I think you said you are reading Demelza now - it really is lovely to be reading them for the first time.  I remember after the first few books having to wait for some long while before the next ones were written, and then hoping that no-one important was going to pop their clogs.

I live in Cornwall and amongst my friends there is a Pascoe, Behenna, Trevaskis, Pearce and Tonkin!  WG always did his homework....

Hope you enjoy the rest of the books, Lori

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Lori - that Xmas at Trenwith scene in the book is one of my very favourites....if I remember rightly, Ross refers to it as Demelza's 'triumph'.....just lovely for her.
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Hello to all! Oh DARN IT! I had my long post ready to submit and lost it!!furious So here I will try it again!

Verity Rural Leicesteishire I believe must be quite lovely as well as all of England. I did read "Making of Poldark" and it was indeed a fast read!

CharNanfan I just read your name in the book Demelza! Was your character  on the program as well? I can not remember it. I am so very sorry for you as I have just read that at the Christening party for Julia there was a dance with a pillow and Jud singled you out and gave you a BIG KISS!!! But thankfully Prudie came to your rescue and told Jud "Leave  go yer great ox,No call to make a meal of er"!!! Gotta love that Prudie!!! I too am an impatient reader and there are also times I have been re-reading sentences that WG has written simply because I love the way he explains and writes things!

bronny You are so right  "The Making of Poldark" is a real gem. I found out the WG and his wife both had cameo appearances in the tv series. He was the first person to greet Morwenna when she and Drake came out of the church when they were wed. I went to you tube too find the clip and sure enough there he was! His wife also appeared it said in the scene where Ross came and arrested the man for stealing that was hung for it, She was one of the towns people.

And like all of you my favorite parts are of Ross and Demelza! I was watching Masterpiece theatre "Sense an Sensability" by Jane Austin this afternoon and there was a short clip of the screen writer talking of how he changed some of the original storyline and added some extra input to it. It got me thinking of how there is so much more in the Poldark novels examining Ross and Demelza and how deeply he falls in love with her. And not so much Elizabeth. I guess the screen writers felt they needed a little more "Lusting " after Elizabeth to add to the drama of it all. What do all of you guys think?

 

Char Nanfan I am enjoying the books tremendeously( thankyou again bronny)! I had recently read that Ross and Demelza went to Francis and the the family's house for Christmas and Demelza out shone Elizabeth! But of course Elizabeth was not pleased with this as WG explains further in depth when Elizabeth shows up at Julias Christening party. He tells how proud Ross was of Demelza at Christmas and how beautiful she was even more so then Elizabeth but as I said WG goes on to explain how Elizabeth sets out to win back Ross's favor and she succeeds at the Christening party When Demelzas family shows up and she feels shamed. Ross tries to comfort her and affectionately refers to her as "child" and Demelza takes offense to this and of course makes her feel less then a woman in Ross's eyes then Elizabeth. Elizabeth in turn gets her ego stroked once more at Demelzas expense OOOOooo  I DO NOT LIKE Elizabeth! furious



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We all have such a lot to thank WG for, cant imagine not having Poldark...

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And me!!! I was exactly the same with the skimming....and the mining bits used to bore me too! But now i look at them differently - just like you Char. I've only read the later books once, and it's time to read them again.

Lori - Robin's book is a little gem, and brings through his passion and great affection for Poldark....if you get a chance, visit his blog - he lives in France now and writes cook books for people with diabetes. The other day, someone mentioned Poldark (someone always mentions Poldark on Robin's blog!) and he said the loveliest thing - that he had a lot to thank WG for....

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Char - just the same as me!  I skim read - which works well as I read Poldarks over'n'over - but I am more likely to read the Ross and Demelza conversations/interactions in detail as they are so emotionally charged and heart warming. 

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Lori, Glad you are enjoying the poldark world, its been so long since i discovered the books that i quite envy you this whole new exciting venture. It took me many years to read the whole saga as im a very inpatient reader. I tend to skim through books, too  keen to reach the end and so i often miss bits out. i have to confess that when i was younger i would deliberately omit the mining bits! I know! shocking! but i just wanted to read about Ross and Demelza so would jump ahead till i saw familiar names, of course i missed huge chunks of important detail which often confused me in later storylines! But of course it meant that whenever i re read the books i would discover something new each time! THis prolonged the delight of discovery and in some ways was like reading a new story each time! Each time a new book came out, it gave me a good excuse to read the whole lot again, and i have to say, growing up with them has given me a different perspective. As i have gotten older, different parts of the saga resonate with me. Having children of my own, makes the death of Julia  so much more poignant and heartbreaking for me. Not many novels grow with you.  I was not much older than Demleza when i first met her but she soon outgrew me, for many years i was always the younger and i learnt a lot from her about the type of woman i wanted to be. She was/is a wonderful role model and now i am older than she is and thats a strange feeling, to try and think what Demelza would be like in her older years.  



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Hello Lori - no sadly I do not live in Cornwall no.gif  Rural Leicestershire at the moment, with annual trips to the SW!

 

Yes I have the Making of Poldark - a good, if short, read!

 

 



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Hello Katrina vantassel! Nice to meet you! And thankyou for the chuckle of pondering THAT thought! Prudie would probably consider her a "black worm" if she were the mistress of Nampara! How about if Jud was "in his cups" and accidentally mistook Elizabeth for Prudie!!! That would send Elizabeth into a fright!!!

Morwenna Your naughty and I love it!!!

Mrs. Gimlett I don t recall your character in the series can you enlighten me? Or our you in the novels or is that your real name? Sorry if I seem weird!!! I am just starting the novel Demelza but I think it is a later edition. I will keep an eye out for the passage you referance. Thankyou for your input on Rosses affections for Elizabeth are concerned. It is helping me to see from others prospectives that  it is more from a sense of what he thinks he feels for her.

Bronny you were right about reading the books thankyou for good advice! I see Ross falling in love with Demelza explained way better. It just seemed in the television series that he spends way to much time pursueing his desire for Elizabeth and of course she encourages it all the way. Do I see this right? did anyone else get the sense that Ross seemed more enamoured with Elizabeth in the film more so then in the books?

Hi Verity! I found a book by Robin Ellis called The Making of Poldark. Are you familer with it? By the way do you live in Cornwall? Oh what a joy it would be to see! It looks like a lovely place.

 Has anyone seen the addtional film Stranger from the sea that was suppose to be a continuation of the Poldark series but with different actors? That would be just to weird! There is only one Ross and one Demelza. How I long for more! ...*sigh*



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Yes that First edition stuff is intriguing! I very much want.....

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Hello Mrs G

I always thought you and John were a wonderful couple.  I'd have loved you to come and sort out my house!

Interesting about the 'spying' that was mentioned in the first edition - that George eh?

I shall continue to check all 2nd hand bookshops for 1st editions.  I picked up 3 BCA (Book Club Associates) versions in Cornwall, but have yet to see if they have any added extras (or omissions) in them Anyone know the BCA versions please? 



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I don't think that Elizabeth ever went to Nampara before Ross went to America, so she would only have heard about Jud and Prudie from Francis and maybe Ross.  The place, when Ross returned from America was much too tumbledown and filthy for delicate Elizabeth.  She would have turned up that exquisite nose of hers at 15 paces from Nampara!

The Gimletts did know of her, because John used to work at Grambler, before Ross offered them work.  They probably had their own thoughts about her, but would never have said anything!

Incidentally,  In the 1st Edition of Demelza, there is a small piece,  omitted from later editions, which takes place when the Warleggans are discussing how to break the Carnmore Copper Co., and George says he sent Garth to question the Gimletts and offered money for John to spy for them (they did the same to Zacky, too),  but as you might imagine, John got unpleasant and refused to help.  They were a very loyal couple, but I do not think their opinion of Elizabeth would have been that high.

I think Ross probably knew that Elizabeth was not the right girl for him quite early on, but he was too enamoured to be able to get her out of his mind.  In Warleggan, he comtemplates how he loves her (ie the idea of her), but does not actually like her - not a good basis for a marriage.



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Yes - impossible to imagine....although Elizabeth would have known Jud and Prudie all her life, so I guess she would be used to them. Working alongside them would have been another matter. Reckon she would have gotten on ok with the Gimletts in a master/servant capacity though....

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Elizabeth working with Prudie?! I don't think I can imagine Elizabeth WORKING, never mind WITH someone! Ooh I can hear Prudie cursing away to herself from here. Worse still.. Can you imagine Elizabeth and Jud with the 'Ted'n right, ted'n proper' and all that? I'd have loved to see Elizabeth's despairing expression.

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I knew I would find some sort of insight if I came here :) Thankyou Bronny your comment about Ross always running off to help people helped me to see that is just  part of being Ross. He didnt just worry and care about Elizabeth he tried to be helpful to everyone and her beauty and kinship didnt hurt either! As I read this first book "Ross Poldark" his affection for Demelza is more evident and explained more indepth. I guess being the addlebrain that I am I was suppose to surmise it as I watched the show !!! And by the way if that is you in the picture you are quite lovely!



 Thankyou! That is very sweet of you - it was taken some time ago but my partner says I haven't changed much (he didn't know me back then) - hope he is right! I love sensing your passion for Poldark through your posts Lori....

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I knew I would find some sort of insight if I came here :) Thankyou Bronny your comment about Ross always running off to help people helped me to see that is just  part of being Ross. He didnt just worry and care about Elizabeth he tried to be helpful to everyone and her beauty and kinship didnt hurt either! As I read this first book "Ross Poldark" his affection for Demelza is more evident and explained more indepth. I guess being the addlebrain that I am I was suppose to surmise it as I watched the show !!! And by the way if that is you in the picture you are quite lovely!

Hello Mrs Gimlett! Nice to meet you! The comments were made to Elizabeth in a scene of the series. Ross had said: "Unlucky in luck and in love". referring to himself.   Then Elizabeth said "I once knew the meaning of the word love." Then Ross proceeds to say to her "The sun warming her, the sea washing her,the air caressing her.the earth embracing her,the child in her arms, the pure joy of living in her heart." (As he is reciting this he has a look of revelation on his face, as if for the first time he realized what and who love was). Elizabeth proceeds to say"Who is she Ross who is she" (hoping he is referring to her)and he just looks at her. She says "I wont ask George for help(financial) if you ask me not too". Ross says he cant tell her what to do and suggests to do what is best for Jeffery Charles. For me it was an opportunity to be assured Ross was finally seeing love was not what and who he thought is was. You said you didnt see the series I am pleased to hear your thoughts from a readers perspective and as I go through the book even though I am just beginning I feel better assured of Rosses affection for Demelza. :) I think you are "Spot on" with your perception of Elizabeth too! Thankyou for the kind salutations Char Nanfan I cant tell you how delighted I am to be here.:) Oh that would have been grand to see! And hopefully it would have been filled with muddy water!!! Oh that DREADFUL night at Trenwith! See that was one of the things I just could not figure out. I am hoping to find the answer in the books. I sure wish I could have been around when the discussion was going on over THAT ONE!!! I will be very generous of my opinion with my findings be it pro or con. As for the scene in the series she does NOT try hard at all to stop him and when the despicable action was completed they both are just lying there staring at the ceiling. If that was a rape you would have thought she would have tried harder to stop him and he would have left instead of lying there!   Salud Nanparagirl and many thanks! I agree about the disastrous outcome from a life with Elizabeth! I think when she went running to Ross and said she would leave Francis all she was thinking about was herself. There is no way she would have made it at Nampara but it sure would have been fun to watch. How about Jud comes along thick of tongue and full in his cups and mistakes her for Prudie and.....maybe he was chewing on that pie and nippin at the brew!!! And Bella could you imagine the look on Rosses face at first bite!!!! Does anyone know where you could watch the documentry  with the interviews of the making of Poldark? I saw snippets on the internet and just when they were getting ready to say something of value it cut off! ARG!! 



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There is no way Elizabeth would cook a blimin' pie!  I rest my case....

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Hi Lori, lovely to welcome you to our little Poldark haven, where you will find we love nothing more than to discuss our favourite storyline for hours on end.

As far as a relationship between Ross and Elizabeth is concerned, it would have been disastrous, both for them and for everyone around them.  Imagine Elizabeth having to roll up her aristocratic sleeves and start baking bread and brewing beer in Nampara kitchen; poor Ross would have faded away to nothing for the want of a good pie ... NO ... it would never have ended happily, not even the slightest chance!



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 Welcome Lori, great to see another enthusiastic member.

I agree, Elizabeth and Ross would never have made a succesful couple, He would have pushed her down a mine eventually! or ran off with Caroline....

Ross actually reflects on the change in his feelings after spending the night at Trenwith and realises that his love for Demelza is based on more than just desire and that She is far more suited to his temperament than Elizabeth ever was.

As to Loris concerns about the visit from Ross to Elizabeth, i will be interested to see what you think when you have read all four books, we have had quite in depth discussions about this very incident and it will be good to have another opinion. 



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Speaking as one who has only read the books, the only poetry Ross remembers or speaks mainly comes from Shakespeare - what is this 'sea washing her' business?

In my opinion, Elizabeth would not have lasted 5 minutes at Nampara.  Work? I don't think so..... It seems to me that she was far too self-centred to be any good for anyone, and Ross would have soon realised that his love for her was based on desire for her beauty rather than her as a person.  Thoughts, anyone?



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Elizabeth at Nampara? I think she would have been content for a time and then, in Clowance's words, the magic of her marriage to Ross 'would have worn off'. She seemed so happy to leave Francis for Ross when he lifted her on to her horse. But it wouldn't have lasted.


Yes...and she always appeared to have a problem with living in provincial Cornwall. I find it hard to imagine her keeping house, helping him on the farm and above all, trying to cope with him running off all the time to help someone out of trouble! Also - what about Verity and Andrew Blamey? That would still have happened if Ross had married Elizabeth...and she was dead against it...they would certainly have clashed over that.

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I love the new picture Bronny!


 Thanks Morwenna! The village of Demelza is so tiny - blink and you miss it! But I'm glad I managed to get there....and it is such a beautiful name.

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Thanks Morwenna I agree about Elizabeth.  As irksome as I found Ross, in the way he continued his interest I was able to watch it slowly subside. I think in the graveyard when she kissed him on the mouth and he did not return the affection I felt better! I cant blame Elizabeth in a way. I know she was in "survival" mode and I'm sure she paid dearly with her heart in Francis unfaithfulness. But she kept the flirtation with Ross alive and I thought that selfish of her. I also think when Ross met her on the terrace at George and Elizabeths party and he told Demelza he was there and realized Elizabeth finally found happiness in her situation (I'm sure the wealth and lifestyle had much to do with it!!!)it helped to make Ross more content. I hope that makes sense!!!

Thanks Bronny and yes I started reading the first novel the other day and you are right there is much more depth to the characters as I had hoped there would be. I thought if I would read them I could understand there thinking more as WG would have more ablity to give better insight. And I LOVE the story because it gives Rosses insight and thinking more clearly in regards for his love of Demelza. But after watching the series and what I have read thus far I feel conflicted in the presentation of the triangle type affair. The book gives the sense that he gets over Elizabeth quite quickly but the series seems to have him and her keeping things alive. And I cant even get to the fact that he "bedded" Elizabeth THAT I am having a real difficult time with! In the series they were not very explict with that and I have not gotten that far in the reading. I read some where that in the book it was suppose to be a "rape" but in the series they looked like they just had to get over with it. And then later on Elizabeth comments to Ross in the graveyard that he "Was good for her". I guess these actions as I watched did not make sense to me when he would tell Demelza it was her he loved an then go off and do that! UGH! I still LOVE the series and the novels and hopefully by the time I am finished with the reading material and see others  points of view  I can come to understand and except that Ross was sincere. I know in the end he seemed so and in my opinion if he truely could not be in love with Demelza he is THICK in the head!!!  One last point in response to the post...Elizabeth at Nampara?????.... JUDAS!!! HAHA!



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I love the new picture Bronny! I will have to put up the one of me at Perran.
Elizabeth at Nampara? I think she would have been content for a time and then, in Clowance's words, the magic of her marriage to Ross 'would have worn off'. She seemed so happy to leave Francis for Ross when he lifted her on to her horse. But it wouldn't have lasted.

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