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Date: Aug 28 1:50 PM, 2010
RE: Finding the most original & complete version of Poldark
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Ok. Brill!



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Date: Aug 28 1:46 PM, 2010
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Thanks for all this Smoll still trying to take it in !! biggrin

Tholl 

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Date: Aug 25 7:18 AM, 2010
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Hallo again Tholly,
One explanation for the variety of edits could be this;
 Broadcast networks have various criteria re broadcast times/ length
 eg an Australian commercial 1/2 hour is 26 mins, a commercial hour is 52mins.
 this can be edited depending on the time of day, the advertising contracts etc
 have you noticed that station program adds or station id are now superimposed over the credits of shows, or during the shows themselves?VERY ANNOYING!
 This is because advertising revenue providers demands a higher % of broadcast time.So- producers will provide a variety of edits/cuts to accomodate the different broadcasters.The braodcasters have various rights, eg they can screen the program so many times before it can be sold to another broadcaster in the same country or to the public. They can sometimes dictate which edit is to be resold etc.
eg.- A doco of mine ,orig 52 mins was edited to 40mins accomodate a festival & it won an award!!!but i felt it was lacking without the full content. Then Teachers TV screened it in UK & Europe in its entirety, saying that they really needed a minute longer & had to fill with something either end to accomodate the european slots.
I believe there're moves afoot to standardise the requirements as creatives have requested for years. USA is dragging its feet i heard.
Teachers tv had a clause which allowed them to broadcast my doco online for a certain period to its online subscribers, but my coproducer had them remove that clause. I haven't sold that right to anyone ,as my product is devalued by being too freely available.
Rights holders may only hold the rights for so long before they must renegotiate the deal , or the rights resort to the original owner. So the Poldark rights may be available for a new creator to approach the rights holder re a remake. To re edit existing material would be more legally complex. I know its done online but its a breach of copyright. We content providers like to control what we give away, (teasers/ promos, )and what we sell. We writers are at the bottom of the food change too. The online world has changed everything hasn't it? Mostly for the better i might add.
I only have Beta tapes of the series & no longer a beta player at home so I can't recall what was  on them. But I'm curious now... 
btw we filmakers still  sometimes use Beta  on certain projects, as its very good quality. VHS just bullied them out of the domestic market.
 Interesting posts here. very thought provoking. I quake for the people who do  ever attempt Poldark in the future, its become so beloved over the years, no matter which version we watch!!! That proves its strength hey.and the novel formulates itself in our minds eye, so can never be reproduced absolutely accurately, or is that another debate entirely?
 Ah, think I'll get back to work or I'll ramble on forever... think I'll put on the kettle first, its teeming with rain & hail in Adelaide & v  v v cold.

-- Edited by Teni on Wednesday 25th of August 2010 07:38:37 AM

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Date: Aug 5 7:23 PM, 2010
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Thanks RPD5 and New Yawker.

I think it's reasonable to suppose that if the latest DVDs are still the same as were aired on PBS in the Seventies, that it's more than likely it will still retain all the scenes that were or might have been edited out in all the later versions. Whether in the UK or USA.

So although I've only got the Nineties tapes, still going strong, I think it could still be worth buying the new DVDs just for authenticity reasons alone, because to the best of my knowledge I've never heard of any copies being made of the original UK version in the Seventies anywhere. Which is why the only faint possibility would have been someone taping it as it was aired. Certainly it has to be a much better option than the Australian current best option that only came out about 2 or 3 years ago, but with no idea where it came from. In other words seeking out the best provenance available. If that makes sense ?

Is Amazon the best or....?

Looking forward to it whatever happens !!

Just found 1 long original thread about the whole problem that is just 2 above this one "Videos/ DVDs edited - why?"

http://poldark.activeboard.com/index.spark?aBID=35561&p=3&topicID=2326455



-- Edited by Tholly on Thursday 5th of August 2010 08:18:01 PM

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Date: Aug 5 7:03 PM, 2010
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i'd have to say the recent u.s. dvd release matches what i taped on vhs back back in '83-84. running time is approx 52 min. whether that matches the original bbc & pbs/masterpiece theater versions in the late 70's i can't say. i have looked for for a few scenes like ross pouring the buckets of water on jud & prudie and ross carrying demelza to the horse that have been mentioned as having being cut from the poldark vhs released in the 90's and those scenes are intact. however i have not been able to find demelza being swilled under the pump. assuming that's episode 2.

i'm sure others have expressed this but being the greedy little fan, what i'd loved to have seen was some interviews with a few of the principal characters (robin, angharad, jill) and perhaps the directors & screenwriters. other that i'm very happy with my purchase. is it possible to wear dvds out wink.gif

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Date: Aug 5 5:45 PM, 2010
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HI again

Maybe there were different edits between UK and US for television.  I remember Demelza being swilled under the pump in the book, but I never saw that part in any version in the US.  Back in the 1970's and still today in the US some things are still questionable; however, usually on PBS (back then) things are let go and now a warning comes up with a rating.

Gee, I hope I didn't lead you down a rosy path.  I based all my information on my experiences and my former tapings and current offerings. 

However, the DVD version is the best that I can say.  It was the exact episodes that were shown in the US.  It was a family affair.  That I can say for sure, too.  However, I was the true passionate POLDARK fan in my family.

Thanks
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Date: Aug 5 4:48 PM, 2010
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RDP5 wrote:

POLDARK DVD:

The first series just came out last spring.  It was totally complete as it was shown on Masterpiece Theater in the 1970's.  I was very pleased and look forward to this in the 2nd Series coming out (finally) in October.

I hope this was helpful

RDP5

 

Thank you RDP5 very helpful indeed !

It sounds as though the UK and USA shared the same time slots both in 1975 and 1977 as well as the release date of the VHS videos, though I never saw the original series unfortunately. I do know that many evening church services on the Sunday had to be postponed till the broadcast had finished !

Same editing problems too with the VHS but what is really amazing is that you say your DVD that came out last Spring is identical to the original first shown in the Seventies! First I've ever heard of this version at all so great news after having to put up for years with wretched costcutting BBC and their hopeless editing. Interesting about taping in the Seventies but hopefully this can now be forgotten....?

Unbelievable totally complete with no edits at all ? Even Demelza under the pump ? I'm ordering mine asap (from Amazon is it ?)  if that's the case biggrin  Then I think some serious comparing between the two versions needs to be done.....wink

Great and thanks again

Tholly



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Well, Tholly, let me answer some questions.

Regarding the possibility of taping in the seventies.  In the US there was some possibility although I am sure people went to much expense or may have been part of research for a product that would record programs from TV.  The reason I say this is because if one looks at YouTube there are recordings from people who had the ability to do this.  I bought a couple of Vhs tapes a long time ago of recordings from my favorite soap opera on episodes back in 1975 or 76.  I, myself, was only 12/13 years old and in school when this was on TV.

Regarding Poldark:

It originally aired in the US on Masterpiece Theater in my area on the local PBS CHANNEL in 1975 and 1977.  Masterpiece Theater was shown 2x a week back then. Sunday nights at 9:00 pm. and Tuesdays on the other local PBS channel at 10:30 pm.  I remember this because my 8 year old sister (then) would fall asleep before it was on.  It was aired again on 1982 or 1983 around when my Grandmother die.

POLDARK VHS: 

Came out in the US around early 90's.  I was a tad disappointed because there were some amusing parts edited out.  For instance in the first episode where Ross is trying to awaken Jud and Prudie.  When Ross actually throws the water on Jud and Prudie is cut until Prudie gets up and Ross is telling her to clean his room.  Things like that were cut out.  To me it was disappointing because nuances add things and that scene did stick with the book.

POLDARK DVD:

The first series just came out last spring.  It was totally complete as it was shown on Masterpiece Theater in the 1970's.  I was very pleased and look forward to this in the 2nd Series coming out (finally) in October.

I hope this was helpful

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Date: Aug 5 3:00 PM, 2010
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As I've been wanting to find and buy the most original and complete version of the original Poldark film for ages, tracing all the various Poldark VHS & DVD re-issues worldwide has always been an interesting thought because of the occasional very intriguing posting that's come up about it in the past.

These occasional tantalising postings were based solely on people's memories saying that even the first BBC VHS Nineties UK issue after the Seventies broadcasts had been considerably edited down as well. Demelza under the water pump I think was one that had disappeared. So it's interesting that our latest new members New Yawker and RDP5 both taped and still possess the original series on VHS when it was aired on PBS in the Eighties. Was this the first public airing of Poldark in the USA or Canada, or was there was an earlier broadcast in the Seventies the same as we had in the UK ?

I think Poldark was shown again in the UK on BBC in the Eighties as well ? Anyone know for sure, better still taped it ?

I've never heard of any BBC recordings being issued in the UK in the Eighties so the next one after the Nineties UK VHS re-issue, was in about '03 - '04 on DVD that apparently had even more edited out than the Nineties VHS tapes. However it seems the latest Australian DVDs are not only as good as the BBC UK Nineties VHS tapes but even better with some unknown new scenes re-appearing.

Does anyone know whether it would have even been possible to record a TV programme at home anyway in the early to mid Seventies ?



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