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I will try to word this carefully..

 I'm sorry to say I missed that episode! But now I know it's on in the evenings, I might be able to see it. I can imagine some people did actually have bad wigs then. But Caroline wouldn't have had. Only the best for her.

We could play The Wig Factor- best hair piece, worst hair piece, rate them out of 10
biggrin Can you imagine anything worst, than a handsome fellow who actually covered up his lucious locks with a horrible wig?

Isn't it a pitty they didn't have those outakes then? I bet the cast had some amusing moments. I can imagine bald men must have had moments when their hair fell off.

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Hi Caroline, good to see you!
yup, even unobservant me who normally doesnt notice costumes etc remembers just how bad that wig was! rat tails springs to mind!

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This....discussion will go on forever! biggrin



Have I arrived too late to the party? I did so want to bring your attention to Caroline's appalling knotted wig in series 1. What were they thinking?? Her maid should be shot!

For the full horror, see the scene in the Gatehouse where they discuss their elopement (one of my favourite scenes in the series but the wig makes me cringe). wink



wink Hi Caroline, how are you?  Is that the scene where she's drying her hair in front of the fire and says something like: "you'll have to marry me now!", if so I have to agree, the wig was a such a complete mess that one wonders what on earth they could have been getting up to in that rain!!  I really like that scene too, series 1Dwight is so much more handsomewink

 



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This....discussion will go on forever! biggrin



Have I arrived too late to the party? I did so want to bring your attention to Caroline's appalling knotted wig in series 1. What were they thinking?? Her maid should be shot!

For the full horror, see the scene in the Gatehouse where they discuss their elopement (one of my favourite scenes in the series but the wig makes me cringe). wink



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A double dose on Saturdays, I be thrilled at the thought, and I be legging it back from Sally's in good time with me bottle 'o port......

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Just in case anyone doesn't know, Yesterday has started broadcasting in the evenings now and the Saturday 12 noon and 1pm screening of Poldark is now repeated at 6pm and 7pm on Saturday evenings. 



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Can i just add here that one of my favourite lines in the poldark books concerns Marks feelings over Keren, I just love the way the words conjure up the maelstrom of emotion that Mark must have been experiencing that night. WG at his most insightful and articulate.

"He turned and walked home under the quiet stars, his long poweful stride longer than  ever and his slow steady careful mind moving in uncharted seas."

 



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I don't think Keren would have stayed with Dwight anyway, if she survived. She move on to somone richer.

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wink smile ....... now on the subject of Keren!

Poor, sweet, ever so slightly clueless, trusting and niaive Mark, I really felt sorry for him.  I suppose he was in the right place at the right time for Keren, who was desperate to escape the clutches of the evil Mr Ottway, but he didn't deserve a wife like her.  

I never warmed to her at all because from the very first she came across as a scheming and manipulative hussy, marrying Mark because it gave her an easy way out of the lifestyle she hated, although I appreciate it must have been an awful existence for her.  She took full advantage of Mark's good nature and the fact that she had been able to twist him round her little finger and that he had fallen hook line and sinker in love with her.  Sadly for Mark, he didn't have much of an idea about romance and even less idea about women.

She did nothing but moan about everything, complaining about Mark working long hours and was never satisfied.  She was envious of Demelza, who she saw as having married a rich man to improve her social status.  Poor Dwight didn't stand much of a chance either against her manipulative wiles and in my opinion, she set out to seduce him come hell or high water because she saw him as a means to climb the social ladder, thinking she would be doing the same thing as Demelza.  I don't think she cared a jot about poor Mark as she would have happily run off and left him for Dwight without a thought for the hurt this would cause him.

No, can't say as I was too enamoured of Keren and was more upset for Dwight and sorry for Mark who had really adored her and when faced with her adultery he had committed the ultimate crime of passion.  I was glad he escaped, but in some ways he suffered more this way and paid heavily for his sins, as he lived the rest of his life weighed down by guilt, despair and grief.

No, didn't like her character at all.



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Yes, it's safe to come out, the dueling has stopped.biggrin



I felt sorry for Mark and Dwight in the story, oddly enough, but not for Kerren.

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Is it safe to come out yet??? Im afraid i dont have a clue when it comes to fashion in this age let alone the eighteenth century so have not been able to agree or disagree with you educated laydeez but im impressed with your knowledge and debating skills. Well argued on both sides....

I agree about keren being a more sympathetic character than she was in the book. I had never thought that Demelza and Karen could be friends despite them having a lot in common and so the tv series added an interesting dimension to their relationship. I often thought that Demelza should have had more friends from her own class , her closest friends were Verity and Carolilne and yet they would have no understandng of Demelzas background. Jinny Carter would have been a good choice but maybe Demelza would have felt awkward with her priviledged  lifestyle compared with Jinnys hardships. It makes you realise what a strong character she was to adapt as well as she did to a whole new lifestyle and culture.



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Ditto Nampara Girl, I don't want to sound like a sullen young madam, I genuinely do love the Poldark books. smile We will all have to find something else to discuss now.

Does anyone else think Kereen was alot nicer than in the books? Is this a good thing? She saw Demelza as friend, rather than a rival like in the book. TV Kerren had a affair with Dwight, it seems out of love rather than ambition or fufilment.

Does making her a more likeable person (I didn't think she had any redeeming qualities in the book) make her death tragic and unfair? Is this make her husband Mark? the bad one?

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Absolutely.  Thanks for the lively debate QueenMab.  handshake.gif

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Nit picking? no really, I sat down to watch Poldark to enjoy it but I just found alot of flaws as did my friend. We weren't looking for them, rather staring  us in the face.

Grecian would surely suggest Emprie cut dressses and more rounded shapes.
 Floral patternes, face trimmings would be more in the style of things rather than harsh triangles. No, not all classic adaptations are faultless, costume wise. Nor would I expect them to be. But glaringly obvious errors  simply put a dampener on things. At least  it provided my friend and I some innocent amusement. 1970's styles are easier to spot when you don't remember them, they stand out more.

Ive said my piece and you've said yours, we won't see eye to eye, so rather than bore everyone around us, I think I'll draw this discussion to a close. smile

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It just occurred to me that this is a bit like the Fawlty Towers programme when Basil whispered to everyone in the hotel, "Don't mention the War!"

Maybe we should be shouting "DON'T MENTION ELIZABETH'S DRESS!"

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This....discussion will go on forever! biggrin

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LOLOLOLOl!biggrin

My sides are shaking biggrin -  your argument that geometric design and triangles in particular could only have been used to decorate clothes in the 1920's seems a little flawed to me ..... surely we are talking about the time of neo-classical revival, when the grecian and romanesque style was so popular.  I seem to recall from my studies of the greeks and romans that during these times geometric trimming to clothes was an everyday design for the upper classes? 

http://www.fashion-era.com/ancient_costume/ancient-greek-dress-chiton.htm


This is becoming so funny .............. I have a friend who has exactly the same hairstyle as Emma Tregirls, beautiful long corkscrew curls and ....... dare I say it? ........... it's completely NATURAL!!!.... not a wiff of perm lotion in sight!  I'd lay my hat (or floral headscarf) on the fact that there were even women who lived in the 18th-19thC, hey! anywhere in history, who had the same type of hair, and of course, they commonly used rags to curl their hair. 

The Poldark series was a phenomenal success and ahead of its time for the 1970's.  It was enjoyed by and touched the hearts of millions of viewers worldwide who loved it because it told such a wonderfully romantic story of Cornish life in the late 18th-early 19thC.  Yes, there were probably a few discrepancies in dialect, costume, hairstyles and makeup (although I'm still interested to know who can spot the blue mascara wink), but it's still popular today (35 years later) which is something to be immensely proud of.  If there is to be criticism, that's fine, just as long as it can be supported by proof and stand up to good old fashioned debate.  Nit picking about little inconsequential things, just seems like trying to find fault with something for the sheer hell of it.  All is never just black and white, there are always loads of grey areas, an open mind is one of the best assets any of us can have.

Think about classic films like 'Gone with the Wind', a brilliantly epic romance, no doubt one of the best films ever made , nevertheless filmed with actresses wearing full-on make-up.  It's fair to say that some of the same criticisms could be levelled at this film too, however, might it be thought just a little ignorant to do so.  Let's just enjoy these period classics, warts and all, 'cos that's what they're made for - sheer escapism, pleasure and above all enjoyment.

Have to go now - just off to have my hair permed!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin



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This....discussion will go on forever! biggrin

"Dresses were made of matte materials like crepe or black bombazine silk, which did not reflect light." Why then was she wearing what looked like black felt? Crepe would be more acceptable. Pinstipes were popluar, yes through triangular is most certainly very much out of synch with Regency patterns. White could be used yes, such as white lace, traigngles are a very unusual choice. More Art Deco (1925 onwards)

There's was someone wearing mascara, maybe it was Monk Addley? lol Although I believe it was an earlier epiossde my friend spotted.  It's easy to slip in a few items that arent accuate for the time period.

Also not aware of Regency people (lower classes) having perms, like Emma.


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Talking of black and white Regency mourning gowns, I found this link which would vindicate the BBC costume departments use of Elizabeth's black and white mourning gown.  Although it mentions pinstripe, it's well within the realms of possibility that seamstresses would use a little creativity in their designs and a simple triangular patterned trim would be a distinct possibility, as it's a very simple and understated pattern:

http://georgian-victorian-britain.suite101.com/article.cfm/regency-mourning-fashions-in-england

and this very interesting link showing fashions of the regency period, take a close look at the dress which appears at 1.56 mins through the video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo8HV6oToLM&NR=1

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confuse nope, have to agree to disagree, I never saw anything as elegant in the seventies, not the greatest era for fashion and if they were crossing periods with 70's fashion it would have been a Victorian/Edwardian/70's mix ...... I have the photos to prove it!! biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin lol

PS.  Beats me, can't find a speck of blue mascara anywhere, not on Keren, Morwenna, Emma Tregirls, Rowella .............. maybe we should have a new Poldark game - hunt the blue mascara?!  lol


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lol! Where are the men? Have we frightened 'em off, all this talk about frocks.....



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What be going on 'ere wiv you lot?!!!!




 Heheh, just a friendly chat about fashions. smile My friend (who hasn't studied costume design) spotted the mascara on somone. Mind you it could have been Emma (Sam's love interest) did she have a perm?! or Kerren (much nicer person than in the book wasn't she?)

In all the costume exhibitions, costume museums, lectures, books, programmes, internet reseach Ive never seen some of the clothing items form Poldark, so suspect they are 1970's crossed with Regency!



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The felt black dress Elizabeth was wearing wasn't the mourning one, she wore it whilst pregnant. It didn't have a trim, I beleive it just had white Harlequin style diamonds running down it.  She was married to George at the time, slightly unusual for a married woman to wear black I think? biggrin 

Blue was a colour thant would suit Elizabeth better, so it's a shame she looked like a black clad widow.  WG described fashion very well and ith accuarices, so the serires should have paid more attention. Even though she would have had a "staying in" time during her pregancy, she'd be the type of woman to always look elegant.


I believe it was Kerren wearing blue mascara.
In my fashion studies Ive never seen any Regency women wear floral headscarves either.




Yes, quite definitely, the black and white mourning gown Elizabeth wore was after she was married to George and on the occasion of the death of Ossie Whitworth - she was just pregnant at the time I believe.   She and George had gone to visit Morwenna after Ossie had been killed.  She was also in a scene wearing this gown just afterwards, when she was discussing the funeral and what should be done about Morwenna with Osbourne's mother.

Totally agree that Elizabeth looked better in blue and also in pastels, which most of the time we see her wearing. 

No, you are right, Queenmab, Regency women did not go in for floral headscarves, but Cornish country folk did as they would have been behind the times as far as fashion was concerned, especially for practical purposes when having to work on the farm or do housework, as we often see Demelza doing whilst sporting a headscarf. 

We all know that mascara was not used by British women until the early 20thC but women had been known to use lamp black as eye shadow in France at the time of the French Revolution.  Constance Bodruggan was a character who would always dress in the style of her youth, that's why she went in for the ruffs round her neck and the ornate hats crawling with insect infested birds - and the amazing wigs.  She's such a great character and WG paints a fab picture of her and her animals at Werry House.

I still think the wardrobe department did very well on the Poldark series with the costumes on the whole and the makeup department too, who can be forgiven I reckon for one little bit of blue mascara.  BTW I'm just off to take a look a Keren to see if I can spot it.

I agree, Bella, it would have been lovely to see a bit more footage showing Ross and Demelza's wedding, but I guess some things are better left to the imagination.

I love the sheeeshing Bella! biggrin

 



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What be going on 'ere wiv you lot?!!!!

Now, I wish that Winston Graham had described Ross and Demelza's wedding in more detail. Such a huge part of the story was brushed over, hardly given a mention.....yes, the reasons were given in detail....I'm talking about the event.  I wished the BBC had made more of it, as they seemed happy to make lots of the first and second episode their own....but I wished Winston had described the wedding in more detail...of Ross and Demelza's feelings, of how Ross felt when he saw Demelza, and some description of her dress......

Now be anyone in agreement??   sheeesh.....

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The felt black dress Elizabeth was wearing wasn't the mourning one, she wore it whilst pregnant. It didn't have a trim, I beleive it just had white Harlequin style diamonds running down it.  She was married to George at the time, slightly unusual for a married woman to wear black I think? biggrin 

Blue was a colour thant would suit Elizabeth better, so it's a shame she looked like a black clad widow.  WG described fashion very well and ith accuarices, so the serires should have paid more attention. Even though she would have had a "staying in" time during her pregancy, she'd be the type of woman to always look elegant.


I believe it was Kerren wearing blue mascara.
In my fashion studies Ive never seen any Regency women wear floral headscarves either.

Some programmes just don't go in for historical accruay- Robin Hood, Dr Who but other's of a more serious nature have things just right. Cranford didn't have any mascaraed hussies! hehheh  ahem, women did wear make up, but the costume department have to be careful about what colours and types. Mascara I don't believe was commonly worn til 1920's.

The Poldark wigs are pretty good though. I remember Constance Bodruggan was bald under hers. She looked like Elizabeth the 1st. Good thing Demelza didn't use white face paint, it had lead which was deadly.


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  No I don't, there are many costume eras in the 1970's Poldark series.
When the most famous adapt of Pride and Predudice was made, the actresses were not allowed to wear mascara. They are often strict on various costume sets, even in recent Thomas Hardy adapts Ladies might dye their eyelashes darker in Regency times, but blue mascara no way, which was used in the Poldark series.

Elizabeth is seen wearing a black felt like dress with white triangles, completley wrong in style and colour for the time period too. She's a very elegantly dressed lady and married to George, so she would have had beautiful clothes.
 The style of lipsticks and headscarves is wrong too.
Winson Graham was completley spot on with his descriptions of clothing for the time peroid, so it's shame the series wasn't. Maybe it was budget problems?

 

 


I would argue that Elizabeth's mourning dress was very authentic of the mode of dress that a rich, elegant society lady would be wearing in 1799.  As QueenMab says, she was married to George, a very wealthy man and her clothes, along with George's, would most likely have been made in London, even then home of cutting edge design for ladies and gentlemens' fashion.  If you look closely, her black & white dress is a classic regency design and the headwear is typical of the fashionable style of the day and the geometric white trim is perfectly in order with the designs available then as they moved away from the overly ornately floral and frilly to the more simple, plainer grecian inspired mode of dress.

However, the other female characters depicted in the series, with maybe the exception of Caroline, would not have had access to, or the means to access, the most current fashion designs and, therefore, would be wearing an assortment of different styles of dress made by provincial seamstresses and also a selection of handmade garments.
So, on the whole, I think the costume department responsible for Poldark did a very good job, when compared to other costume dramas of the time.

I know that modern day costume dramas, post 1990, may well take authenticity to the extreme in area of actresses not wearing makeup, but I don't believe they wear no make-up at all, which would be the only true way to make the characters seem authentic.  Without doubt, they all wear a little natural eye makeup to enhance their looks for the camera, although I would definitely agree that 'blue' mascara is a definite no no and I would be interested to know who was wearing it in the Poldark series - I shall have to scan through the DVD's again to see if I can spot it.

One of the most enjoyable things about the forum is the opportunity to have a light-hearted and healthy debate about all Poldark related subjects and, I agree with Char Nanfan; it would be very boring if we all had the same opinion.  I reckon WG would love to think that his work can still inspire such passion and discussion and I really enjoy it but don't take any comments personally as disagreements are all part of the fun aren't they? 

Come on guys ...... anyone else any thoughts on this.  Bring it on!  Maybe QueenMab and I will just have to agree to differ, but in a very lighthearted, friendly manner!  biggrinbiggrinbiggrin


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My 'ivers,  we gals do get passionate about Poldark, I think WG would be delighted to think he could cause such emotion amongst the fairer sex. The thing i find is that Poldark has become such a precious and deeply loved part of my life but it is also a very personal attachment and interpretation. My opinions of the characters and storyline will vary considerably to all you and i feel fiercely protective over them, im sure you all feel the same way. We have all been touched by this wonderful work but the story will resonate with us in different ways, we all identify with certain characters or sympathise or dislike others because of a similarity to people in our own lives and so we take it personally when another viewpoint is aired. Again this demonstrates WGS ability to make these characters so believable and unforgettable, we do recognise them and feel they are part of our family and friends, sometimes annoying and frustrating but always loved. I need to read them all again soon as I realise i have been a bit hard on Ross recently and i need to restore the balance by reading all the good things i like about him and his enduring love for Demelza.

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As for the use of mascara, lipstick and makeup used by the cast on screen, c'mon . every TV series and film is guilty of using this to enhance the looks of the actresses, even for the likes of Jane Eyre.  I don't consider that they went over the top, even Constance Bodruggan, painted as she was, was actually true to the period as they did use a lot of rouge and lip salve and powder to whiten their hair and complexion in those days, something which we know, Demelza shied away from, although she did use a little rouge and lip salve in common with dear old Verity, who I think may have introduced her to this in the first place!  I think this criticism is a bit over the top QueenMab, don't you think.?

  

No I don't, there are many costume eras in the 1970's Poldark series.
When the most famous adapt of Pride and Predudice was made, the actresses were not allowed to wear mascara. They are often strict on various costume sets, even in recent Thomas Hardy adapts Ladies might dye their eyelashes darker in Regency times, but blue mascara no way, which was used in the Poldark series.

Elizabeth is seen wearing a black felt like dress with white triangles, completley wrong in style and colour for the time period too. She's a very elegantly dressed lady and married to George, so she would have had beautiful clothes.
 The style of lipsticks and headscarves is wrong too.
Winson Graham was completley spot on with his descriptions of clothing for the time peroid, so it's shame the series wasn't. Maybe it was budget problems?

I think I must have offended you Nampara over my ponytail remark. I'd offer you a lock of Robin Ellis's hair, as a peace offering eh? But sadly I havent got any. smile 

 



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Heyyyyyyyyyy you, Namparagirl....I adore Ross too!!!! He is far more thoughtful and caring in the books, and to me, that is the most important thing....in the tv adaption he comes across as less feeling....now calm down :)

Has it finished does anyone know, or is Yesterday tv going to show Series 2? I have just bought a lovely 19" flat screen HD ready all singing and dancing tv with an inbuilt dvd player for £139 from Aldi for my bedroom, so I can indulge in Poldark into the early hours....oh I be so lucky.

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Of course, we all know that there were a great many inaccuracies and the original story had been totally distorted, a fact which angered WG to the point of demanding that the deal to film series 1 be called off, he wanted the whole thing cancelled, wiped-out, forgotten.  Stupidly, the misguided scriptwriters believed that the original storyline wouldnt be sensational enough to catch the imagination of the viewers and they more or less tried to re-write the story.  How wrong they were.  Luckily Leslie Baker of London Films and his fellow director, Robert Clark approached the BBC and the outcome was that the production was too far advanced for it to be cancelled.   A lucky outcome, for despite the outrageous changes to the story and characters, it became, as we all know, a tremendous success.  So, as it progressed into series 2, WG was taken on board and the storyline stuck much more closely to the books, even utilising much of WG's own dialogue in the script.

I guess that every great novel, interpreted for TV or film has to be adapted and shortened somewhat by the scriptwriters, but the hope is that they will do this with sympathy and integrity.  However, even with the awful changes, I was one of the millions of viewers who was captivated and enthralled by the Poldark TV series and have remained so ever since.  I think that the actors were brilliant, making the parts their own and bringing the story alive on screen, aided greatly by the absolutely stunning, atmospheric beauty of the fantastic location, which had one of the biggest parts to play in the success of the whole series.

As far as the authenticity of the fashions used in the series, I have to say that I think they did very well here.  You have to remember that this was filmed in provincial Cornwall and not in cutting edge London.  The empire line dress fashion for ladies was not embraced countrywide until 1799-1800 and this was portrayed exceptionally well in series 2, when Ross takes Demelza to London for the first time.  There is a definite difference in the hairstyles here too, especially if you look at Elizabeth, who I think had never looked so beautiful before, and Caroline too.  Caroline had taken Demelza under her wing and advised and helped her with her dress and to a certain extent her hair, introducing the feather, but being a country wife, Demelza's hair still retained (as that dreadful man Monk-Adderley remarked) a provincial look.

As for the use of mascara, lipstick and makeup used by the cast on screen, c'mon . every TV series and film is guilty of using this to enhance the looks of the actresses, even for the likes of Jane Eyre.  I don't consider that they went over the top, even Constance Bodruggan, painted as she was, was actually true to the period as they did use a lot of rouge and lip salve and powder to whiten their hair and complexion in those days, something which we know, Demelza shied away from, although she did use a little rouge and lip salve in common with dear old Verity, who I think may have introduced her to this in the first place!  I think this criticism is a bit over the top QueenMab, don't you think.?

And, yes!  You probably all guessed that it would have to be me who would rise to the defence of the gorgeous Ross Poldark and say that the man in the novels is the true character, loving, jealous, loyal, reliable and true and as I've said before many times, the poor man has been cruelly condemned by lots of you Ross bashers out there.  He loved Demelza, she loved him, they both made mistakes, but they are only human and vulnerable as the rest of us and he is still my HERO!!

PS.  Ross shows that he is bang on the button of ladies fashion when he buys Demelza those bright red satin French drawers.  These had only just started being worn by women of the day, before which time men and women only used to wear a shift or chemise as an undergarment.


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Queen Mab, i think thats the appeal of WG 's characters, they re not perfect and they have faults just like the rest of us. I get fed up of Ross in the book but i still love the saga, all of the characters are completely believable because we get to know them warts and all!

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Ive not seen that episode, Ive only ever seen a couple of them.  But I remember Elizabeth mentioning in a later episode about Trenwith burning down and I thoght "eh, I don't remember that happening!"

I get annoyed with Ross over the Elizabeth business anyway, I don't need an extra reason be angry with him.  If I was Demezla in the TV show, I think I'd snip his pony tail off in his sleep! I'm only joking now, before I get booed at! biggrin

I think that in the book Ross & Demelza have an equal relationship, but in the serires there's the strong implication that she's below him. no 

My main problem with the series is actually the costumes.  In many way's it is a lovely series and probably very well made for it's day. But there are many inaccurancies in hair, make up and costumes. Women didn't actually wear mascara for instance.


You should see what they do to Agatha Christie adapts, adding sex scenes, violence, extra murders, changing the characters sexuality, changing the the motives and the worst crime of all changing the murderers!
Someonetime producers think they can better the origianls books, but really they can't. I don't expect a word for word copy, but surely major events shouldn't be added?

I'm off for now, as Ive probably angered Ross Poldaks biggest fans! 


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Poldark on Yesterday tv earlier....I think we forget when we are watching Demelza's antics with Hugh, just how shabbily Ross treated Demelza when he went to Trenwith to sort out Elizabeth.....but my goodness, the scriptwriters really did mess with the original story at the end of todays episode didn't they....and how did they get away with it?  On tv Ross is horrible with Demelza....not so in the book.  And Elizabeth's smirk when George asks his 'heavies' to throw out Ross AND Demelza...(even though Demelza went to Elizabeth's aid when the family were all ill with the morbid sore throat) makes the viewer see red....but none of this is in the book....and burning Trenwith down...tut tut. In today's Poldark, shown on tv......I absolutely loathe Ross, the way he behaves and his treatment of Demelza.  George leaves on horseback supposedly owing his life to Ross......its all wrong wrong wrong.

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I record daytime TV using my box. It's nice that Yesterday are showing a programme that isn't related to World War 2!



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This is just a reminder to everyone that Poldark is on Yesterday tv every Saturday....I am sure many of you will agree, that it is lovely to be able to rewind favourite bits...(if you have Sky Plus). Don't forget to email Yesterday tv and let them know how much you are enjoying watching it....they are very pleased to hear from fans and have very quickly responded to me.

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There is a double page spread on Poldark in April Sky magazine.

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Whoopee!!!

I shall watch them all.Even though I have seen them and have the DVDs...

Ross. I went onto Google and got to the forum from there,but the first entry on the list says that 'due to time restrictions and it all being run by volunteers the site is no longer available...'

Check it out and see.....

I got here by putting 'Poldark forum' in the search box and it appears you are all still here.




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that sounds an interesting evening namparagirl! you will have to inform us how they behaved!

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Woohoooooo!!! Fantastic news ........... I'm out to a posh awards dinner on Friday night with work and won't get home until the early hours, so will look forward to watching it with my brunch at midday!  As I can't drink alcohol, Ive drawn the short straw and am driving the sales team, 4 blokes intent on getting very tipsy, so could be interesting......... any funny business and they'll be out on the hard shoulder and hitching home in their penguin suits!

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Excellent news!  Thanks for letting us know Jennyd

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Poldark starts on Yesterday on Saturday 27th March, 12:00-14:00, next episodes Saturday 3rd April.

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