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Date: Jul 17 1:04 AM, 2018
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Yeah, point taken - and thanks for detailing out all the dates, Dark Mare! I still had to check what the publication years of the Harry Potter books were, though... The book series I grew up with was Anne of the Green Gables and the sequels (which by the way have not all been written in chronological order), and incidentally - between that and the Poldark saga I don't think I've read any other books so many times over and over again aww I wonder if anyone else here shares this sentiment?

Also, in case anyone is curious - I think in the end I've located some context to the range of Demelza's fishing expeditions: in The Angry Tide, Book One, Chapter 8, WG explains that for net fishing, the swimmers went about 300-400 yards out to sea with the net before turning parallel to the shore and then coming back in. So in comparison to that, Demelza's 20-30 yards (the distance she started out with) look quite innocent. I guess by the time Jeremy was due in May, she must have become confident enough to brave a longer distance than that.



-- Edited by Blackleburr on Tuesday 17th of July 2018 02:18:10 AM

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Stella - My bad, how could I forget about John Gimlett? I wonder, though, what his help was like in this case? Did he go in the boat together with Demelza? Or was he just "on standby" at the beach, while she was fishing? For some reason, the way I was always imagining this was that he was only helping to get the boat in and out of the cave, and maybe to launch it in water, but not much more.

Fijane - (1) That's a good point about women's clothes. But if they didn't learn to swim, would they be likely to venture out in a rowboat, even in need of food? My guess is not - and perhaps that's how special Demelza was.

(2) The scene where Demelza and the children learn to swim in a rockpool is in The Four Swans - that's why I said that for a long while after Jeremy Poldark she couldn't swim at all.

(3) Apparently, Demelza's fishing expeditions were not in the summer: Sometimes, too, in this quiet December she had got Ross's dinghy out and rowed twenty or thirty yards offshore where she had been able to catch mackerel and skate enough for the whole household. Ross did not know of this, and Gimlett was impressed to help her and sworn to secrecy. (Jeremy Poldark, Book Two, Chapter 1)

Overall, I agree that Demelza was probably taking her boating expeditions step by step, and building up confidence as she went along. Also, I wonder how deep can the water be 20-30 yards from the shore? Perhaps it wasn't that deep, after all?



-- Edited by Blackleburr on Friday 6th of July 2018 09:06:49 PM


One thing you have to remember about these books is they weren't written the way the Harry Potter series was so there are discrepancies between the first four books, which were written from 1945 through 1953, and the subsequent eight, which were written beginning 20 years later and over a 29-year period (1973-2002). Further, Winston Grahm has been quoted as saying he did not reread the previous books before starting a new one. Even when there was a 20-year gap between Book 4 and Book 5. We all may have just assumed Ross was insistent about Demelza learning to swim because of where they lived because he had given Francis such a hard time about not knowing how to swim and then Francis later died by drowning. Or just as likely, WG simply forgot what he had previously written. It would not be the first instance. He changed Trencrom's first name from William to Hubert between books, for example.



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Stella - My bad, how could I forget about John Gimlett? I wonder, though, what his help was like in this case? Did he go in the boat together with Demelza? Or was he just "on standby" at the beach, while she was fishing? For some reason, the way I was always imagining this was that he was only helping to get the boat in and out of the cave, and maybe to launch it in water, but not much more.

Fijane - (1) That's a good point about women's clothes. But if they didn't learn to swim, would they be likely to venture out in a rowboat, even in need of food? My guess is not - and perhaps that's how special Demelza was.

(2) The scene where Demelza and the children learn to swim in a rockpool is in The Four Swans - that's why I said that for a long while after Jeremy Poldark she couldn't swim at all.

(3) Apparently, Demelza's fishing expeditions were not in the summer: Sometimes, too, in this quiet December she had got Ross's dinghy out and rowed twenty or thirty yards offshore where she had been able to catch mackerel and skate enough for the whole household. Ross did not know of this, and Gimlett was impressed to help her and sworn to secrecy. (Jeremy Poldark, Book Two, Chapter 1)

Overall, I agree that Demelza was probably taking her boating expeditions step by step, and building up confidence as she went along. Also, I wonder how deep can the water be 20-30 yards from the shore? Perhaps it wasn't that deep, after all?



-- Edited by Blackleburr on Friday 6th of July 2018 09:06:49 PM

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I seem to remember references to D taking the children for all three of them to learn to swim in a rockpool (not the ocean). I am not sure about the timing of that so it may be much later than the time you are referring to.

Demelza had been going out in the boat all that summer while pregnant, without incident, so I suppose she didn't think this time would be any different. Also, I imagine that many of the women who lived near the seas never learnt to swim, purely because of the clothing they wore. In the later books, it is clear that Clowance swims a lot and she explains the swimming "costume" they invented to swim. But the Poldarks had a private beach - I can't imagine the village women creating bathing suits and swimming at the public beach.



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Blackleburr wrote:

The recent discussion about vellows and Ross being caught in one of them in "The Angry Tide" got me thinking about the Poldarks' swimming skills more generally, and there is one question that bothers me:

How come Demelza was so confident about going out fishing on her own in the dinghy in Jeremy Poldark, when three books later (in The Four Swans) it turns out that she couldn't swim at all?

(I have a sense that I've read some comments about it before on this forum, but can't find them anymore. If anyone happens to know in which thread this was discussed, please let me know - otherwise fire away your thoughts here.)


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John Gimlett went with Demelza on all but the last fishing trip so she perhaps wasn't worried with him there. It was only the last fishing trip that she went alone. I don't think confidence was a consideration. Demelza knew they needed the fish to feed the family so she went out to get it.



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The recent discussion about vellows and Ross being caught in one of them in "The Angry Tide" got me thinking about the Poldarks' swimming skills more generally, and there is one question that bothers me:

How come Demelza was so confident about going out fishing on her own in the dinghy in Jeremy Poldark, when three books later (in The Four Swans) it turns out that she couldn't swim at all?

(I have a sense that I've read some comments about it before on this forum, but can't find them anymore. If anyone happens to know in which thread this was discussed, please let me know - otherwise fire away your thoughts here.)



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