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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

Stella, I don't think Ross was destitute on his return to Cornwall.  Even if you read the edited books, it is plain he has some money in the bank, for he buys Darkie, some livestock and engages workers; replaces some of the household items Jud and Prudie had misused and orders liquor from the free-traders.  What is missing from either version is anything relating to the Grambler shares.  The only mention is in the Prologue, and thereafter it is forgotten.  Perhaps it is as well he wasn't relying on the income from his uncle's mine...


As you say - Mrs G - Ross was not destitute  and I had forgotten that Pearce told him that his father had left him a few hundred pounds. Yes it is odd that the Grambler shares are mentioned only in the Prologue and he would have received a small sum from them I imagine, if only for a short time. Thank you for reminding me. I am just coming to the end of my re-reading of the first edition Ross Poldark and it has reminded just how little of this book was included in series one of the latest productions.



-- Edited by Stella Poldark on Wednesday 11th of October 2017 12:18:31 PM

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Stella, I don't think Ross was destitute on his return to Cornwall.  Even if you read the edited books, it is plain he has some money in the bank, for he buys Darkie, some livestock and engages workers; replaces some of the household items Jud and Prudie had misused and orders liquor from the free-traders.  What is missing from either version is anything relating to the Grambler shares.  The only mention is in the Prologue, and thereafter it is forgotten.  Perhaps it is as well he wasn't relying on the income from his uncle's mine...



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Hollyhock wrote:

I've been browsing a WL Book 1 (1st ed., 2nd printing) and comparing it to one of the later versions. I agree with Mrs Gimlett that WL makes for a richer reading experience.

Regarding the Grambler shares, even though there's no mention of it, I assumed Ross received his dividends until the mine failed. Even more noteworthy, I don't recall any mention of the Mellin tenents paying him rent. (Jim offered at one point but Ross refused). But he was probably receiving that revenue as well--I can't imagine he would allow Nick Vigus to live rent free. (Until Ross returned, Jud probably collected and used that money for his gin supply ) At any rate, those two incomes, no matter how meager, would have helped Ross restore Nampara. He had money to pay Jim and he must have paid the little Martin children something for all their hard work in clearing the Nampara fields. He also had money to restock the farm and replenish his wardrobe (and, ahem, pay a certain lady for her services).

But Joshua did not leave Ross destitute. (Here's where WL is more detailed.) When Notary Pearce was apprising Ross of his inheritance, he said Joshua left him several hundred on deposit at Pasco's bank. (Later, that must have seemed like a fortune when Ross had to struggle so desperately to pay the scheming Warleggans their extortionate interest on his loan.)  Anyway, by the time he re-opened Leisure Ross seemed comfortable.

I also found it incredible that the first night Ross returned to the defiled Nampara he found dogs in the house (again WL). When trying to locate Jud and Prudie, "half a dozen big curs leaped nosily at him" from the still-room door. We know Jud hated dogs so it was odd that he allowed Prudie to keep them in the house. These dogs were not mentioned again (I totally forgot about them!) until Demelza brought Garrick along with her to Nampara. Ross wondered at the time what Prudie's reaction would be since he had "insisted on getting rid of all the lost curs to which she had given a home."

Love discovering these details.


 Hollyhock - you are experiencing the delights that the original edition of Ross Poldark gives to the reader. There is so much more information in the ward Lock books as you are discovering. Before I read the originals I wondered about a lot of things, especially how Ross was managing to even buy food when he first came back to Cornwall. It is also made clear, I recall, that Jud and Prudie were paid to look after Nampara in Ross's absence. It is like reading a different book!



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I've been browsing a WL Book 1 (1st ed., 2nd printing) and comparing it to one of the later versions. I agree with Mrs Gimlett that WL makes for a richer reading experience.

Regarding the Grambler shares, even though there's no mention of it, I assumed Ross received his dividends until the mine failed. Even more noteworthy, I don't recall any mention of the Mellin tenents paying him rent. (Jim offered at one point but Ross refused). But he was probably receiving that revenue as well--I can't imagine he would allow Nick Vigus to live rent free. (Until Ross returned, Jud probably collected and used that money for his gin supply ) At any rate, those two incomes, no matter how meager, would have helped Ross restore Nampara. He had money to pay Jim and he must have paid the little Martin children something for all their hard work in clearing the Nampara fields. He also had money to restock the farm and replenish his wardrobe (and, ahem, pay a certain lady for her services).

But Joshua did not leave Ross destitute. (Here's where WL is more detailed.) When Notary Pearce was apprising Ross of his inheritance, he said Joshua left him several hundred on deposit at Pascoe's bank. (Later, that must have seemed like a fortune when Ross had to struggle so desperately to pay the scheming Warleggans their extortionate interest on his loan.)  Anyway, by the time he re-opened Leisure Ross seemed comfortable.

I also found it incredible that the first night Ross returned to the defiled Nampara he found dogs in the house (again WL). When trying to locate Jud and Prudie, "half a dozen big curs leaped nosily at him" from the still-room door. We know Jud hated dogs so it was odd that he allowed Prudie to keep them in the house. These dogs were not mentioned again (I totally forgot about them!) until Demelza brought Garrick along with her to Nampara. Ross wondered at the time what Prudie's reaction would be since he had "insisted on getting rid of all the lost curs to which she had given a home."

Love discovering these details.



-- Edited by Hollyhock on Wednesday 11th of October 2017 09:30:09 PM

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In chapter 4 part 2 of Book one we are treated to a tour of Nampara. It begins with a comment from Charles when he was first shown round. He said that it had as many unexpected features as a cross between a bloodhound and a poodle bitch. This was half truth, half brotherly spite." It continues with "the library, which made a single story west wing for the house, had never been finished: money had given out, and what was to have been a show feature had instead become a draughty shuttered barn in which Joshua,a great hoarder, had come to store the rubbish of a lifetime."

There is much more information about Nampara that gives the reader a wonderful feel of the house but even in this small piece I have quoted there is much information about the library which features a lot throughout the books and we learn a bit more about Joshua. It continues with more descriptions of Nampara and snippets of information about Joshua so that the reader is well informed about the house and can form a picture of it in their mind. There is also dialogue between Jud and Ross about some furniture which had been moved and now brought back by Jud. All this and more gives us important information, not only about the house but what has happened in it since Ross left for America. It also includes information about Elizabeth's letters to Ross and the possibility of letters being lost.

I hope I have given enough information to whet the appetite for first edition copies of the first four books.

 



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Dark Mare wrote:

It would have made more sense for Charles to have bought Ross' shares of the mine. That would have given Ross some cash to get started on -- and given him one fewer reason to visit Trenwith after Francis and Elizabeth were married.


Possibly but at what point would Charles have bought Ross' shares of the mine.... ?



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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

Ah, yes, the original.  So much more rounded than later editions.  I love the fuller descriptions of the Nampara area, the house itself and of Francis and Elizabeth's wedding. 

The latter shows Francis did love Elizabeth at the time of their marriage and probably would have continued to she had only encouraged him. 

To start at the beginning, though,  and that small piece in the Prologue, when Joshua tells his brother that his shares in Grambler will go to Verity if Ross fails to return has always intrigued me.  There is no other mention of it and however little the shares may have brought in, it would have been very helpful to Ross in his quest to renovate house and land.  Perhaps it ceased as Grambler mine itself slowly wound down and eventually closed.  However, there are a few years of prosperity for the Trenwith Poldarks before that, when Ross might have expected some return.  Do you think Charles rescinded the shares on Joshua's death?


It would have made more sense for Charles to have bought Ross' shares of the mine. That would have given Ross some cash to get started on -- and given him one fewer reason to visit Trenwith after Francis and Elizabeth were married.



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Good question Mrs. G.

I think Charles (as presumably executor or would it have been Pearce back then ?) might well have rescinded the shares after Joshua died as I'm pretty sure he was already determined on arranging a marriage between Francis and Elizabeth, wanting Elizabeth to have further evidence that Ross was hard up and therefore quite unsuitable for her. In addition he had probably already made sure that Verity would have been well provided for anyway.

As a side issue it would seem probate didn't become law until 1858 which I'm sure WG would have already checked first in any case.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/wills-or-administrations-after-1858/

However one thought has just crossed my mind. In the last paragraph in Chapter 1 Nat Pearce says he will get a copy of the Will for Ross to take home and read it at his leisure, so surely Joshua would have stipulated the shares were to be left to Ross as well. If so then Charles would have had a lot of explaining to do !



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Ah, yes, the original.  So much more rounded than later editions.  I love the fuller descriptions of the Nampara area, the house itself and of Francis and Elizabeth's wedding. 

The latter shows Francis did love Elizabeth at the time of their marriage and probably would have continued to she had only encouraged him. 

To start at the beginning, though,  and that small piece in the Prologue, when Joshua tells his brother that his shares in Grambler will go to Verity if Ross fails to return has always intrigued me.  There is no other mention of it and however little the shares may have brought in, it would have been very helpful to Ross in his quest to renovate house and land.  Perhaps it ceased as Grambler mine itself slowly wound down and eventually closed.  However, there are a few years of prosperity for the Trenwith Poldarks before that, when Ross might have expected some return.  Do you think Charles rescinded the shares on Joshua's death?

 



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