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I've just been watching The Handmaid's Tale. Now _that's_ the way to do an adaptation.

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Fijane wrote:
As an antidote, I intend to go back and just watch the first series, and maybe a little of the second - to cleanse my palate and go back to the way I felt back then.

I like the way you put that: "cleanse my palate."  The first series was different, wasn't it?  DH didn't stray as much from the the essence of the characters. She promised she would remain true to the books, and we believed her; we were more innocent then.  I've only watched bits of this new series and what I've seen and read here has convinced me to wait.  This book-to-TV translation makes me think of Prince of Tides, which was book-to-film.  I read the book first and while Barbara Streisand could in no way include even 10% of the action, the essence of the characters remained true.  I love the book and the movie.  So it can be done.



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Stella, I agree with you about Heida. I think that Jack is bringing out possibly the best of her acting ability, but most of the rest of the time she is quite immobile.

Now that Poldark is finished, I am catching up on Outlander, and I have to say that the difference in the acting skills, dialogue, and authenticity of the crowd scenes is very startling.



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Well, that is the end of Series 3 for us here in Australia. And like many of you I am glad, because I am weary of the cycle of hope, then disappointment each week.

In thinking about this last episode, I have realised that if all the Demelza, Prudie, and Hugh scenes were cut, I would have quite liked it. Both Demelza and Prudie are just appalling in this episode (I didn't think Demelza could get worse, but...) and I now find Demelza to be so obnoxious and Prudie is just a nasty-minded snitch, I don't want to see either of them on screen anymore.

 Fijane - I agree with you about Demelza and Prudie and it is down to DH to write good lines for them. As she writes more she seems to get ever more slapdash.

I am surprised that there has been no mention in this thread about the amazing performance of Jack Farthing, and ably supported by Heida Reed. I was mesmorised by the "oath" scene, and George's obvious devastation from the jealousy and his love for Elizabeth. In my opinion, one of the premier scenes of the whole three series. (Of course, all the best done scenes have been lifted almost verbatim from the books).

I agree about Jack Farthing's acting but I do not think Heida can act very well. She found her voice with the scripts she was given in this episode and it is the best acting we've seen from her. She has been somewhat robotic I think.

They switched the timeline of Drake's story around, and I can't see the necessity of that. Why burn the smithy now, when it is quite important for it to burn later while Drake is away in St Margarets.

Ossie, Morwenna, Rowella and Arthur was also well done, although once again the subtleties were skipped and Rowella's scheming motives are laid bare from the start. I would have liked to see Arthur looking more nervous and less assertive, and I don't think it would have hurt to hint about Rowella having to contantly keep him buoyed up. I don't like Morwenna showing affection for Conan - it will make her later actions look wrong. And of course her little trip to watch Drake working was ridiculous.

Re the French invasion that-never-was: DH took a side issue of Ross going off (to distant parts) to train militia groups and turned it into a really huge deal. I can sort of see why she wanted to do that, but it seemed a very elaborate scheme just to make Ross change his mind about parliament. And once again, they couldn't find enough extras to make the scenes convincing. Very amateur all around.

Couldn't agree more with this last point. It was all very confusing and made no sense to me.

Personally, I think Ross's real reason for accepting Lord Falmouth is more compelling. He clearly states (later) the difficulty of explaining that when the first offer came he was content at home and secure with Demelza, whereas later he was not. He had good reason to suspect Demelza had cheated, and everything (personally) had changed. Again, probably too nuanced for DH to cope with.

I agree with this point but wonder how DH could have explained Ross's feeling of wanting to put distance between himself and Demelza. I think this is quite difficult to convey in a drama. It would need Ross to explain his reasons to someone other than Demelza but he would have felt disloyal. Fijane - do you have any ideas how this could be done? Perhaps series two of the 1970s version may help here.

To sum up, a reasonable episode if you can eliminate Demelza, with an excellent continuance of George and Elizabeth's tribulations.

This episode was better than many this series.


 



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Well, that is the end of Series 3 for us here in Australia. And like many of you I am glad, because I am weary of the cycle of hope, then disappointment each week.

In thinking about this last episode, I have realised that if all the Demelza, Prudie, and Hugh scenes were cut, I would have quite liked it. Both Demelza and Prudie are just appalling in this episode (I didn't think Demelza could get worse, but...) and I now find Demelza to be so obnoxious and Prudie is just a nasty-minded snitch, I don't want to see either of them on screen anymore. As an antidote, I intend to go back and just watch the first series, and maybe a little of the second - to cleanse my palate and go back to the way I felt back then.

I am surprised that there has been no mention in this thread about the amazing performance of Jack Farthing, and ably supported by Heida Reed. I was mesmorised by the "oath" scene, and George's obvious devastation from the jealousy and his love for Elizabeth. In my opinion, one of the premier scenes of the whole three series. (Of course, all the best done scenes have been lifted almost verbatim from the books).

They switched the timeline of Drake's story around, and I can't see the necessity of that. Why burn the smithy now, when it is quite important for it to burn later while Drake is away in St Margarets.

Ossie, Morwenna, Rowella and Arthur was also well done, although once again the subtleties were skipped and Rowella's scheming motives are laid bare from the start. I would have liked to see Arthur looking more nervous and less assertive, and I don't think it would have hurt to hint about Rowella having to contantly keep him buoyed up. I don't like Morwenna showing affection for Conan - it will make her later actions look wrong. And of course her little trip to watch Drake working was ridiculous.

Re the French invasion that-never-was: DH took a side issue of Ross going off (to distant parts) to train militia groups and turned it into a really huge deal. I can sort of see why she wanted to do that, but it seemed a very elaborate scheme just to make Ross change his mind about parliament. And once again, they couldn't find enough extras to make the scenes convincing. Very amateur all around.

Personally, I think Ross's real reason for accepting Lord Falmouth is more compelling. He clearly states (later) the difficulty of explaining that when the first offer came he was content at home and secure with Demelza, whereas later he was not. He had good reason to suspect Demelza had cheated, and everything (personally) had changed. Again, probably too nuanced for DH to cope with.

To sum up, a reasonable episode if you can eliminate Demelza, with an excellent continuance of George and Elizabeth's tribulations.



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The area above the high water mark belongs to whoever owns the adjacent land. The area between the high water mark and the low water mark belongs to the Queen (well, at that time it would have been King George III) So when the tide goes out, you can walk on the wet sand - the Queen gives her permission. 


We have a similar law here in California, but the land belongs to the people of the state. Some of the people who live in the adjacent absurdly expensive beachfront properties hate it, but never enough to move away. 



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Yes. And the swans - at least all the unmarked mute swans in open water. And the dolphins. But not a driving licence. (We're a weird country!)

 



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The area above the high water mark belongs to whoever owns the adjacent land. The area between the high water mark and the low water mark belongs to the Queen (well, at that time it would have been King George III) So when the tide goes out, you can walk on the wet sand - the Queen gives her permission. 


 I have thought that Nampara Cove was considered part of the Nampara estate. Has the monarch always owned the beaches?

 



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The area above the high water mark belongs to whoever owns the adjacent land. The area between the high water mark and the low water mark belongs to the Queen (well, at that time it would have been King George III) So when the tide goes out, you can walk on the wet sand - the Queen gives her permission. 



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Interesting comment Dark Mare. I always assumed that Hendrawna was a public access beach since villagers fished there and uninhibitedly collected flotsam and jetsam and other beach treasures. But your post reminded me of a conversation Clowance had with Geoffrey Charles in The Loving Cup. Clowance, GC, and Amadora had ridden to the Dark Cliffs where Clowance had shown them the Holy Well. When they were riding back GC said to Clowance: 

"This is one thing we lack at Trenwith."  Clowance replied: " Well it's near enoough. you can ride over any time without consulting me." (98)

I never knew if Clowance was teasing or giving proprietary permission.

 



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... Stella - Hendrawna is not Ross' land.  He owns Nampara Cove and the land down to Hendrawna, but not the beach itself. Nevertheless, George wouldn't have been there.  I cannot recall him (or Elizabeth) ever being on a beach.

If Hendrawna Beach is not Ross' land, who does it belong to? The Trenegloses? Who else has overland access to it? (Or was it something else that went to Charles as first-born, and the Trenwith Poldarks just didn't use it because they didn't swim?) 

Interesting you should say that about Elizabeth and George. There's a conversation between Demelza and Valentine in "Bella" about that very subject. Valentine made a comment about what a lovely family tableau Ross, Demelza and Harry on the beach made and Demelza at first thought he was being snide. He told her his parents had never taken him to the beach and rarely gave him permission to go. I wondered whether they were too fastidious to enjoy the sand or they didn't want anyone to notice their son's misshapen leg. Then it occurred to me that it could be they were reminded of Francis' death. Somehow I think it was just the sand. It's so messy.



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Some fool on Facebook has just said that the books are 'too long and bogged down in minutiae'. FFS! A lot of them skim through the historical detail and just look for the romance. I despair sometimes.


I am sure that for some people the books are too complex and nuanced. But even if they only skip to the romance, then I am not sure how they find the pages because they won't recognise Ross and Demelza as they know them.



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Some fool on Facebook has just said that the books are 'too long and bogged down in minutiae'. FFS! A lot of them skim through the historical detail and just look for the romance. I despair sometimes.

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Stella - I stay away from Poldark social media.  It's enough to know that our characters are unrecognizable; I think my head my explode if I had to read that people love love love the series.

Little Henry - Yes, DH is an expert at condensing books - just take everything meaningful out.

DH said in interviews before the first series aired that she hoped it would bring people to the books.  That's what happened to me, and I fell in love with the books.  Unfortunately, DH did not honor her commitment to stay true to the essence of the books.  I remember hearing her question the wisdom of something that was done in the 1970s series: "Now why would they do that?"  That's something I would like to ask her.



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Little Henry wrote:

 For what it's worth I emailed the BBC complaints department.  I think someone should know not everyone is happy. They apparently get 3000 complaints or comments a day though!  I have a feeling that the Graham family has approved all the scripts and only they would have any influence.  I'm trying to be done with my fuming and maybe now that the series is over it will be easier.  How strange for it to be a relief that it is over! I read that Season 5 will cover all the rest of the books, except they may leave out "Bella Poldark" entirely.  When asked how they could do it, someone said because Debbie Horsfield is an expert at condensing scenes or something like that.  And she is.  My husband and I are off to London and Cornwall in 3 weeks.  Our going there has nothing to do with Poldark whatsoever but will be nice to see the beautiful scenery.


Little Henry - I'd be grateful if you could send me the address of the BBC Complaints department - in a private message perhaps? Many of the Poldark filming sites are some of the most beautiful places in Cornwall. Botallack, Porthgwarra, Charlestown, Gwenapp Head and Penberth Cove to name but a few. I was there in July. I hope you have a good holiday.



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It's a testament to the story and the characters that even distorted terribly, they are popular, loved by many but hated too which doesn't happen if you read the books or watch the 1st series.  But maybe that's because back then we didn't have all the social media comments.  I try not to read them but sometimes I'm lured over and often regret it.  The new series is what brought me to the books as I was enthralled at first.  Just watched the Tholly/Ross showdown and it was riveting even as I was thinking how ridiculous it was that Tholly was teaching Ross life lessons.  I wonder if Ross will be allowed any wisdom at all by the time Henry is born?  I wrote to Debbie but didn't send it as it became so long.  For what it's worth I emailed the BBC complaints department.  I think someone should know not everyone is happy. They apparently get 3000 complaints or comments a day though!  I have a feeling that the Graham family has approved all the scripts and only they would have any influence.  I'm trying to be done with my fuming and maybe now that the series is over it will be easier.  How strange for it to be a relief that it is over! I read that Season 5 will cover all the rest of the books, except they may leave out "Bella Poldark" entirely.  When asked how they could do it, someone said because Debbie Horsfield is an expert at condensing scenes or something like that.  And she is.  My husband and I are off to London and Cornwall in 3 weeks.  Our going there has nothing to do with Poldark whatsoever but will be nice to see the beautiful scenery.



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This may sound strange, but I'm so grateful that everyone here dislikes (hates?) the series as much as I do. However or whenever we came to the books, the people here love Winston Graham's beautiful work.  That makes me feel not-so-alone. As Beguiling Eyes says, the characters on TV have the same names and sometimes they may even say WG's words, but they are not WG's beloved characters. They are DH's characters.


 Not strange at all Janet Maison. If you look on Facebook there is no comfort as most of them think the series wonderful. Without contact with like minded people one could lose the will to live! smile



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Last night it was Holywell Bay doubling as Hendrawna, Stella.  I know those rocks anywhere. At least we can have the satisfaction of knowing Evil George, as he is being dubbed, would have had a huge amount of sand in his shoes, having traversed the sand hills... biggrin


 Mrs G - I, too, now recognise Holywell Bay having visited it for the first time in July. The picture you have created in my mind of George with a large amount of sand in his shoes has cheered me up (on a very wet day here in the South east) and made me laugh uncontrollably as has a vision of him struggling through the sandhills biggrin  - you couldn't make it up!!

 



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This may sound strange, but I'm so grateful that everyone here dislikes (hates?) the series as much as I do. However or whenever we came to the books, the people here love Winston Graham's beautiful work.  That makes me feel not-so-alone. As Beguiling Eyes says, the characters on TV have the same names and sometimes they may even say WG's words, but they are not WG's beloved characters. They are DH's characters.



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Last night it was Holywell Bay doubling as Hendrawna, Stella.  I know those rocks anywhere. At least we can have the satisfaction of knowing Evil George, as he is being dubbed, would have had a huge amount of sand in his shoes, having traversed the sand hills... biggrin



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A belated warm welcome to the forum Little Henry things having been just a tad busy today ! Loads of topics to choose from down the years so I'm sure you'll soon settle down into our special WG world....

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Little Henry wrote:

Thank you so much for the welcome.  I can't believe how incensed I became over the malicious treatment of Ross and needed to vent my outrage.  Thank heavens I'm not the only one to see and feel the unfairness of this.  I'm from Canada so don't see any British newspapers but I saw an article from the Express which quoted one of Ross's ugly utterances and I emailed them a response.  I don't know if that was even the way to write to the editor so I really don't have an "address".  You British people would have better access to newspapers and where to write.  I have to confess I wrote to both Aidan Turner and Eleanor Tomlinson about their characters and about caring about their "real" characters.  When all is said and done the book characters are the ones that matter most.  Aidan Turner's description of Ross as a "grumpy --" spurred me on to that.  I also want to say that I love both Aidan Turner and Eleanor Tomlinson in their parts but of course the writing has spoiled what could have been such a wonderful thing.

In another article Debbie Horsfield explained that Demelza was not a revengeful person, which of course is true.  Am I wrong or did not the last 3 episodes lead up to a revengeful and blaming Ross Demelza?


 Many of us here feel as you do, Little Henry. furious  I shall have to find a way of getting a letter to Debbie Horsfield, the script writer although she has already written the scripts for the next series. If anyone here has an address for either DH or Mammoth please let me know.

There is much comfort to be had in the books, and no production, however good, can tell a story as well as Winston Graham. It is lovely to be able to see these characters in their setting in Cornwall. If we ignore the scripts perhaps we can just enjoy the visual aspects. smile

I read somewhere that DH writes in a formulaic way with a list of things she has to include in each episode and then writes the scripts around that. I'm sure that really good writers don't work like that.



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Thank you so much for the welcome.  I can't believe how incensed I became over the malicious treatment of Ross and needed to vent my outrage.  Thank heavens I'm not the only one to see and feel the unfairness of this.  I'm from Canada so don't see any British newspapers but I saw an article from the Express which quoted one of Ross's ugly utterances and I emailed them a response.  I don't know if that was even the way to write to the editor so I really don't have an "address".  You British people would have better access to newspapers and where to write.  I have to confess I wrote to both Aidan Turner and Eleanor Tomlinson about their characters and about caring about their "real" characters.  When all is said and done the book characters are the ones that matter most.  Aidan Turner's description of Ross as a "grumpy --" spurred me on to that.  I also want to say that I love both Aidan Turner and Eleanor Tomlinson in their parts but of course the writing has spoiled what could have been such a wonderful thing.

In another article Debbie Horsfield explained that Demelza was not a revengeful person, which of course is true.  Am I wrong or did not the last 3 episodes lead up to a revengeful and blaming Ross Demelza?



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The link below gives us some idea of what to expect in series 4. It is not encouraging - just more of the same and it seems we have not yet seen the last of Hugh Armitage - sadly.

http://www.radiotimes.com/amp/news/2017-08-06/poldark-series-four-likely-to-air-in-early-summer-2018



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 Of course, Stella, that Hendrawna is not Poldark land means nothing to DH.  She is showing less respect for WG with each episode.  The newspaper reviews are all pro the series, but I suspect they don't know the real story. Someone only has to strip their shirt off to excite the reviewers.

The best of all the series so far; the scenery, closely followed by the opening music.  I am extremely lucky to see the scenery whenever I wish to. Last evening it occurred to me that apart from one at Pally's shop, no horse was ridden in the final episode, despite the many miles covered in seconds...  Am I correct?



-- Edited by Mrs Gimlett on Tuesday 8th of August 2017 05:41:01 PM

Mrs G - Yes you are correct. There were the horses pulling George's carriage but none that anyone was riding. Perhaps the horses had returned to Yorkshire and thereby saved Mammoth some money.

Is it my imagination or have we had several different Hendrawna beaches across the three series? I find this confusing. We have had Porthgwarra and Kynance Cove both used as Nampara Cove.


 



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I've been calling it Poldark For Dummies. No nuance or subtlety, everything hammered home with no imagination. And what have they done with wonderful Caroline..she's become bland and dull.



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I've pinched this comment from another site because it says what I feel about the recent episodes. The charaters have the same names as the people I love but I don't recognise anything else about them. The showdown with Tholly and the villagers was laughable.

'Last night I re-watched the 1977 Episodes 6 & 7 in the light of Sarah Griggs's comment that in the first weeks of the filming Graham was still writing The Angry Tide. Looking at the dates, he also wrote The Four Swans after the filming of the 1975-76 first season. That means he knew the actors who would play these roles and so he would tailor or think and dream of them specifically as he developed roles and scenes. This accounts for some of the real nuanced perfection of some of the sequences.He had Judy Geeson in mind as he wrote Caroline, Ellis in mind as he wrote Ross. He had become very friendly with Angharad and far from seeing her as playing a role as a sex kitten, which was his first early response to the first couple of episodes of that first year, he saw what kinds of personal depths she could bring to a role. I also compared dialogue and as in the first and second season just can't get over how much more content they got into the 1970s -- it's 10 minutes shorter and yet far more real content (they do discuss politics, we do learn Bassett is for Pitt, why Ross is against Pitt, and that Ross has justice on his side not wanting to to back this gov't stance). And how much more nuanced: in the 1970s Demelza asks Ross is he is altogether happy and he does not reply; he asks her if Armitage affects her, and she quietly allows this is so; in 2017 he produces a screed of how much he loves Elizabeth; no inbetween slow development; she is screaming at him that if he won't go for the position offered she knows she prefers another to him. Each turn of dialogue is at the top of a range of emotion suddenly reached for in the recent one, where there older one there is nuance, development, qualification, adult emotions. Even Whitworth is not treated as a kind of gross monster, but as voyeur, hypocrite, libidinous and arrogant man, a bully, unscrupulous; in short a reprehensible human being, not a cartoon character. George's jealousy is primary and Elizabeth gets what he is feeling (as in life) without his having to spell it out. Most important Graham was on the sets and had written two of the books with this iteration in mind.'

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Being in the U.S., I've only watched bits on YouTube and read your posts. It seems as though DH has certain markers or bullet points she can tick off:  Ross and Demelza get married, Julia is born, Julia dies, Ross at trial, case dismissed, Francis dies, Ross has sex with Elizabeth, Demelza and Ross are estranged, then make up, another baby, Hugh, etc. - and DH appears to make up everything in between those bullet points, abandoning all the things we readers love about the books: complex characters, R&D's relationship. 


What we got in episode nine, and generally throughout the series was the equivalent of 'sound bites' - call them book bites or text bites - thrown in to satisfy the idea of an adaptation of the novel or novels. To be fair, most of the other modern TV and film adaptations do exactly the same. The rest was there to keep the audience's attention for sixty minutes which seemingly has to include:-

a) people shouting and running about excitedly

b) violence

c) action sequences with fighting - some in slow motion

d) quick fire cutting remarks and conversations (based on the Eastenders model)

e) love and sex (not always at the same time)

f) comedy (most of this was unintended in episode 9 - but it made me laugh)

 

Following on from modernpoldark's list here are some more ridiculous scenes/occurrences in episode 9 :-

1. Prudie further developing her role as a relationship guidance counsellor and Demelza following her advice.

2. Dwight giving Hugh the bad news about his eyes then advising him about his relationship with Demelza.

3. Ross, for the umpteenth time, telling Demelza to go and find another (man.)

4. Demelza confronting Ross about the graveyard kiss, then going to see Hugh instead of staying to care for her badly beaten brother. 

5. Ross meekly going to bed when Demelza goes missing.

6. Demelza almost deciding not to go back to Nampara!

As Victor Meldrew would say, 'Unbelievable!'

The sadness for me is that the millions of viewers who have not read the books are being given distorted images of the characters and an overall picture which is very little like the world that Winston Graham created.

I agree with Stella that the locations are great. That patch of grass on top of the cliff where R and D stand and look out to sea must have worn very thin by now.

 

 

 



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I saw in a newspaper article highlighted, a quote from "Ross Poldark" and it was one of the nasty things he said in the series.  They were illustrating how awful Ross had become.  I wrote a letter to the editor saying it should be made very clear that NONE of the mean, nasty, malicious, stinging and somewhat stupid things that Ross says to Demelza in episodes 7, 8 and 9 were written by Winston Graham as he wrote his characters with love, flaws and all.  Aidan Turner said them and Debbie Horsfield wrote them.  I also wrote that his character was totally changed and that in the book he DID dance with Demelza.  My letter probably won't be published but I think more people should write to defend the writing of Winston Graham.

At the beginning of one episode Emma was introduced as Tholly's daughter.  So many details are wrong in the series but that is inevitable - I mostly care about the skewering of Ross and Demelza.


 Welcome Little Henry - Your post is very interesting and I would love to write along similar lines to your letter. Have you an address I can write to please?



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 Mrs G - Thank you for clarifying Hendrawna beach.

In the past Aidan has said he wouldn't want to play an older Ross. Eleanor Tomlinson clearly had her own views about Demelza's character. It does appear that these two actors have been pandered to at the expense of the books. Aidan I imagine has not read beyond the first two books but Eleanor claims she has read them as the work has gone along. I agree with you that DH will continue to go her own way and the audience figures will probably allow her to do that. I feel as you do about a lost opportunity and I, too, have no hope of being around to see another production. If I had a name at the BBC I would write a letter about this.

There always will be comfort in the books but it is lovely to have a visual perspective and, on a positive note, I think the filming sites have been wonderful and have, at times, saved this production to some extent.

 


 Of course, Stella, that Hendrawna is not Poldark land means nothing to DH.  She is showing less respect for WG with each episode.  The newspaper reviews are all pro the series, but I suspect they don't know the real story. Someone only has to strip their shirt off to excite the reviewers.

The best of all the series so far; the scenery, closely followed by the opening music.  I am extremely lucky to see the scenery whenever I wish to. Last evening it occurred to me that apart from one at Pally's shop, no horse was ridden in the final episode, despite the many miles covered in seconds...  Am I correct?



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Please forgive me for not welcoming you, Little Henry.  I believe you were born at a very opportune time in the books.  A stable, prosperous family, with loving siblings...and wise parents.

We hope you enjoy discussing these fascinating books, LH.

 

All at Nampara biggrin



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I saw in a newspaper article highlighted, a quote from "Ross Poldark" and it was one of the nasty things he said in the series.  They were illustrating how awful Ross had become.  I wrote a letter to the editor saying it should be made very clear that NONE of the mean, nasty, malicious, stinging and somewhat stupid things that Ross says to Demelza in episodes 7, 8 and 9 were written by Winston Graham as he wrote his characters with love, flaws and all.  Aidan Turner said them and Debbie Horsfield wrote them.  I also wrote that his character was totally changed and that in the book he DID dance with Demelza.  My letter probably won't be published but I think more people should write to defend the writing of Winston Graham.

At the beginning of one episode Emma was introduced as Tholly's daughter.  So many details are wrong in the series but that is inevitable - I mostly care about the skewering of Ross and Demelza.



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Everyone was acting out of character last night.

 

Most alarming is DH who is now talking about Poldark, the Musical! Heaven forfend.

Aidan Turner is quoted as saying anything beyond a fifth series and they would be running out of things to do! Has he read any of the books do you think?  I seem to remember a huge amount happening between Angry Tide and Bella Poldark.

I think these episodes are so loosely based on the books now, that DH is likely to abandon any original plot lines and go her own way.

The maddening thing is, we waited 40 years after the first adaptation, hopeful of a really good faithful interpretation and now it will be a further few decades before another attempt is made, if ever.  I shall be going to my 'long lie' * well before that.

* A Jud-ism 

Stella - Hendrawna is not Ross' land.  He owns Nampara Cove and the land down to Hendrawna, but not the beach itself. Nevertheless, George wouldn't have been there.  I cannot recall him (or Elizabeth) ever being on a beach.



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 Mrs G - Thank you for clarifying Hendrawna beach.

In the past Aidan has said he wouldn't want to play an older Ross. Eleanor Tomlinson clearly had her own views about Demelza's character. It does appear that these two actors have been pandered to at the expense of the books. Aidan I imagine has not read beyond the first two books but Eleanor claims she has read them as the work has gone along. I agree with you that DH will continue to go her own way and the audience figures will probably allow her to do that. I feel as you do about a lost opportunity and I, too, have no hope of being around to see another production. If I had a name at the BBC I would write a letter about this.

There always will be comfort in the books but it is lovely to have a visual perspective and, on a positive note, I think the filming sites have been wonderful and have, at times, saved this production to some extent.



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Everyone was acting out of character last night.

 

Most alarming is DH who is now talking about Poldark, the Musical! Heaven forfend.

Aidan Turner is quoted as saying anything beyond a fifth series and they would be running out of things to do! Has he read any of the books do you think?  I seem to remember a huge amount happening between Angry Tide and Bella Poldark.

I think these episodes are so loosely based on the books now, that DH is likely to abandon any original plot lines and go her own way.

The maddening thing is, we waited 40 years after the first adaptation, hopeful of a really good faithful interpretation and now it will be a further few decades before another attempt is made, if ever.  I shall be going to my 'long lie' * well before that.

* A Jud-ism 

Stella - Hendrawna is not Ross' land.  He owns Nampara Cove and the land down to Hendrawna, but not the beach itself. Nevertheless, George wouldn't have been there.  I cannot recall him (or Elizabeth) ever being on a beach.



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I suspect Aidan Turner is just not relishing the prospect of spending hours in the makeup chair each morning to play a 50- to 60-year-old Ross Poldark. Let's not forget, once upon a time, Mick Jagger said: "I'd rather be dead than sing "Satisfaction" when I'm forty-five."



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While reading reviews about Ep 8 I came across this article, which I believe explains a lot of what has gone wrong with Demelza this series:

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-08-06/poldark-series-3-finale-eleanor-tomlinson-reveals-the-truth-behind-the-poldark-marriage

It certainly seems that Elinor Tomlinson was probably a key driver in changing the character when you hear her say this:

"Says Tomlinson: Demelza loves Ross, but she doesnt need him to the extent that she once did and I think that this relationship with Hugh comes out of someone paying her attention, someone highlighting her worth, while shes being ignored by Ross.

She wears her heart on her sleeve and she is very true and very honest to Ross and I think its lovely. Thats whats nice about her, she doesnt conform to a society where women behaved themselves and were very much under their husbands thumbs. Demelza speaks her mind.

Everything Tomlinson says in this article (and DH) shows very clearly that neither of them has the faintest clue of who Demelza really is. In fact, I have to conclude that recreating Demelza on screen was nowhere near as important as giving Tomlinson a part that she enjoyed playing. She just didn't want to do the true Demelza. And the collateral damage is that having changed D so much, they diminished Ross and turned him into a weak husband.



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Being in the U.S., I've only watched bits on YouTube and read your posts. It seems as though DH has certain markers or bullet points she can tick off:  Ross and Demelza get married, Julia is born, Julia dies, Ross at trial, case dismissed, Francis dies, Ross has sex with Elizabeth, Demelza and Ross are estranged, then make up, another baby, Hugh, etc. - and DH appears to make up everything in between those bullet points, abandoning all the things we readers love about the books: complex characters, R&D's relationship. 


 Your post sums it all up!



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Being in the U.S., I've only watched bits on YouTube and read your posts. It seems as though DH has certain markers or bullet points she can tick off:  Ross and Demelza get married, Julia is born, Julia dies, Ross at trial, case dismissed, Francis dies, Ross has sex with Elizabeth, Demelza and Ross are estranged, then make up, another baby, Hugh, etc. - and DH appears to make up everything in between those bullet points, abandoning all the things we readers love about the books: complex characters, R&D's relationship. 



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Everyone was acting out of character last night.

 

Most alarming is DH who is now talking about Poldark, the Musical! Heaven forfend.

Aidan Turner is quoted as saying anything beyond a fifth series and they would be running out of things to do! Has he read any of the books do you think?  I seem to remember a huge amount happening between Angry Tide and Bella Poldark.

I think these episodes are so loosely based on the books now, that DH is likely to abandon any original plot lines and go her own way.

The maddening thing is, we waited 40 years after the first adaptation, hopeful of a really good faithful interpretation and now it will be a further few decades before another attempt is made, if ever.  I shall be going to my 'long lie' * well before that.

* A Jud-ism 

Stella - Hendrawna is not Ross' land.  He owns Nampara Cove and the land down to Hendrawna, but not the beach itself. Nevertheless, George wouldn't have been there.  I cannot recall him (or Elizabeth) ever being on a beach.



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In my opinion this whole 3rd season was really terrible! ......

 The most mind baffling is How on earth would George Warleggan be on Hendrawna Beach?


 Modern Poldark - It is comforting to hear that others here think it was a terrible series. I agree about George being on Hendrawna beach and I was waiting for Ross to tell George to get off his land smile



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In my opinion this whole 3rd season was really terrible! 

 

Many characters are for me terribly portrayed, they act like if someone behind them are saying "You have to act sweet" and then all of a sudden say "Argue with each other, make a big fight". If you haven't read the books you don't really understand what on earth is happening. Ross and Demelza where a lot more in love and caring for each other. 

 

Did Ross train the people to defend Cornwall in The Four Swans? Because I don't recall it. I just remember reading about something similar in The Angry Tide.

 

Morwenna every time see Drake from a distance and vice versa! Did Morwenna on some way find out how to fly? Because St. Margaret is a little father than Truro.

And as far as I can recall, Morwenna didn't really care for John Conan, she just tolerated him.

We all know what she did in The Angry Tide to her child and Ossie's daughters.

 

Samuel Carne joining a riot? Who thought that would be a nice idea?

 

Why didn't Tholly say Emma is his daughter? We all just have to assume Emma is his daughter.

 

The most mind baffling is How on earth would George Warleggan be on Hendrawna Beach?



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Thank goodness this series is over!  Any similarity between this final episode and The Four Swans would appear to be purely coincidental.

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 My feeling exactly Mrs G. I couldn't not watch it but am so glad it's over and the books can now have all my attention. I did not recognise Ross or Demelza in this series and the changes in the order of events were very confusing.



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Do you mean those three models bobbing around?  Or was it CGI?  biggrin

What has happened to any tenderness between R&D? 

Each of those characters has been completely changed.  Neither for the better, in my opinion.



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Thank goodness this series is over!  Any similarity between this final episode and The Four Swans would appear to be purely coincidental.

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