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Reviewing Episode 6: I have come to the conclusion that, for me, each episode stands or falls on Demelza. Whatever attitude she displays either ruins or saves the episode for me. I can tolerate most changes to the story, even changes in sequence,and the myriad of little annoyances like modern phrasing in dialogue, historical inaccuracies etc. But the change of her personality is the crux.

In this episode, we start with a lovely scene with Ross (leading his horse), Demelza and Drake walking together and discussing Drake's options. There is a sweet moment where D and R kiss each other farewell. And it is all ruined by Demelza saying "now, where have I heard that before" in the snarky voice, after Ross states his intention to avoid conflict. Hope of a good episode is dashed in a moment.

Fortunately, if I can put R&D and their terrible relationship away in a box, there is a lot to like about the rest. Jack Farthing, Luke Norris and Harry Richardson are all showing acting quality of the highest calibre. Drake and Morwenna's storyline is proceeding nicely, albeit with minor changes in sequence, and allowing Drake to roam all over the countryside and sit on the beach all day, instead of working. Jack, as George, is managing to turn melodramatic dialogue into convincing scenes.

It is the women that are letting the series down. Heida Reed's acting ability is becoming very wooden and her facial expressions are quite monotone. But for all the others, it is the story and dialogue (rather than the acting) that is causing the trouble. In this episode, it was very galling to see Caroline portrayed as an air-head who couldn't understand that her husband was suffering the after-effects of imprisonment. I much prefer the book storyline where Dwight pushes himself out working from the moment he gets home, and it is Caroline who recognises that he needs to stop and acknowledge the trauma he has suffered. Morwenna is OK - I think Harry Richardson makes her acting look better than it is - but the strongest part of her story is yet to come, so I look forward to seeing how she handles it.

It was quite funny to see the over-playing of the consequences of the bible incident. All the running around declaiming that he would hang seemed so strange compared to the book. I suppose all the posturing about George as a magistrate had to come to this climax. I did not like Demelza's blaming Ross for not being a magistrate - again, the bitterness was so repellent.

So, a mixed review for this episode. Some good, some bad, and quite a bit of mediocre.



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Welmet wrote:
Moorland Rambler wrote:
Stella Poldark wrote:
Fijane wrote:
welmet wrote:

The alternate universe keeps rolling along. All in all DH is true to the story even if things are a little out of place. The whole invention of Hugh going to see Dwight I guess is her attempt to make Hugh seem more like a regular guy, rather than the seducer we know him to be. I am pleased, however, that DH has Ross and Demelza in a good and loving place. It is important if they are to work their way through the troubles ahead. 

The question for me is should I stand by my prediction of how things are to turn out? If DH sticks to the books we should see in Episode 7 Demelsa's first real encounter with Hugh. In 8 we should see his visit with the tree, and possible Ross and Demeza's return visit, and at the end of 8 or the beginning of 9 we should see Ross and Demelza's discussion about her feelings, and the morning goodby were Hugh professes his love and Demelza tacitly agreeing to accept his letters. The last scene in 9, and the end of this season I think would be Demelza standing on the cliff alone, looking out to sea and holding one of Hugh's poems. We would then have to wait until next year to visit the seals, the estrangement, London, etc. However, DH seems to have some surprises for us. The last scene in the preview has Ross asking Demelza what she wants. If that is a confrontation about Hugh it would be totally inconsistent with the book. If it is about something else like Ross's future in politics we may still be on track. We will have to wait and see, but I suspect that the alternative universe may be moving further way from WG's "reality." 


I can't see DH holding the Seal Cave over to the next series. I expect it to occur in the second- or third-last episode of this series. Based on past experience, I think she will ditch the beautiful conversations between Ross and Demelza where she struggles to come to terms with her attraction to Hugh.

I am also expecting DH to emasculate Ross after the event, in keeping with her attempts to make their relationship like a modern one. (In the words of Dr Phil, so how's that working for you?) There won't be much contrition from Demelza, just an attitude of revenge and vindication.

I have to admit that Hugh in the show does not match my imagined Hugh at all.


 Fijane - I agree with you. Apparently DH has said series 3 will end with a cliffhanger so perhaps it will end at the point when they get back to the beach. I can't think of another cliffhanger which is about three quarters of the way through the book. I keep hoping that the next episode will be better than the previous one and in some ways episode 6 was better but it would be difficult for it to be worse. I am very disappointed with this series. We know there will be series 4  and yesterday I saw something on Twitter mentioning a series 5. After that the contracts with the original actors run out. It will be good not to have the distraction of the series so I can get back into the books and appreciate them even more. If they publish the series 3 scripts it will be interesting to see how much they were tampered with. Series 2 scripts had quite a few changes but series on were left as they were written by DH.

 


Stella and Fijane

 I hope you are both right about them moving on quickly with the Hugh and Demelza 'show' by the end of this series. I would like it to be over with as soon as possible! I hope they don't continue to overdo the Hugh role as we have seen far too much of him already compared to the books.

Fijane - I suppose we will all have some interesting ideas and expectations regarding Hugh. His character was so lightly drawn by WG that it gives us plenty of scope for our imaginations. Of the very few references to his physical features, the best I can find refer to his 'large dark eyes with lashes that any woman would envy' and his 'keen, sharp-featured face' (TFS Bk1 Ch4 II.) A few pages further on, possibly the most revealing description for me is this :-

'This young man's hawk profile, deeply sensitive dark eyes and gentle urgent voice moved her strangely'

As I am sure you know, this was Demelza's first meeting with Hugh (unlike in the series) and I believe that the 'hawk' reference may have been a deliberate one by WG to foreshadow future events.

This made me begin to think of him as a predator and Demelza his prey. And for me that's how it turned out. So I have included below one of my short imaginings of Hugh (for now hidden as a spoiler because I'm not sure if it belongs here.)

 

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 I will stand by my prediction. I just saw a episode 8 summary which apparently has Ross returning home from the mine to find Hugh visiting Demelza at Nampara, which is in line with both the book and my prediction. I think the cliff hanger will be Demelza torn between Ross and Hugh, and that can best be seen with her holding his letter/poem looking out to sea. Remember seasons 1 and 2 end with Ross and Demelza looking out to sea. Ending season 3 with Demelza standing in the same spot alone would signify the trouble in their marriage and with audience asking, what will happen.

The tone was set in the TFS when Ross notes "After he (Hugh) was gone it had at first been just the same; but it seemed to Ross that something in that last letter of Hughs in September had unsettled Demelza and she had slightly withdrawn from the frank companionship of most times. He had asked her twice if anything was amiss, not of course mentioning Hughs name, and each time she had said no. The change in her indeed was so slight that someone less close to her would have noticed nothing.  ...  Twice in love-making she turned her mouth away from him." (TFS, p. 308) This is what she says about the latest poem, "his poems, whatever the distance from which he wrote them, were becoming more direct and more amatory. She took the piece of paper out and glanced around before she read it, as if the people quietly sleeping here might look over her shoulder and disapprove." (TFS, p. 285)

Also, in TAT this is how Demelza describes this period, "pulling at her heartstrings, the agony of divided loyalties." (TAT, p. 371) The perfect cliffhanger is what will Demelza do, and this is best shown by the dilemma of having his poems and yet still loving Ross. 

Cliffhanger: What will she do, what will Hugh do, how will the Demelza/Hugh affair turn out, what will it do to her marriage, tune in next year to find out. 

 

 

 



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At this point my fervent hope is that Demelza will run off with Hugh Armitage and emasculate him as much as she has Ross. That would serve that Hugh right. 



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The alternate universe keeps rolling along. All in all DH is true to the story even if things are a little out of place. The whole invention of Hugh going to see Dwight I guess is her attempt to make Hugh seem more like a regular guy, rather than the seducer we know him to be. I am pleased, however, that DH has Ross and Demelza in a good and loving place. It is important if they are to work their way through the troubles ahead. 

The question for me is should I stand by my prediction of how things are to turn out? If DH sticks to the books we should see in Episode 7 Demelsa's first real encounter with Hugh. In 8 we should see his visit with the tree, and possible Ross and Demeza's return visit, and at the end of 8 or the beginning of 9 we should see Ross and Demelza's discussion about her feelings, and the morning goodby were Hugh professes his love and Demelza tacitly agreeing to accept his letters. The last scene in 9, and the end of this season I think would be Demelza standing on the cliff alone, looking out to sea and holding one of Hugh's poems. We would then have to wait until next year to visit the seals, the estrangement, London, etc. However, DH seems to have some surprises for us. The last scene in the preview has Ross asking Demelza what she wants. If that is a confrontation about Hugh it would be totally inconsistent with the book. If it is about something else like Ross's future in politics we may still be on track. We will have to wait and see, but I suspect that the alternative universe may be moving further way from WG's "reality." 


I can't see DH holding the Seal Cave over to the next series. I expect it to occur in the second- or third-last episode of this series. Based on past experience, I think she will ditch the beautiful conversations between Ross and Demelza where she struggles to come to terms with her attraction to Hugh.

I am also expecting DH to emasculate Ross after the event, in keeping with her attempts to make their relationship like a modern one. (In the words of Dr Phil, so how's that working for you?) There won't be much contrition from Demelza, just an attitude of revenge and vindication.

I have to admit that Hugh in the show does not match my imagined Hugh at all.


 Fijane - I agree with you. Apparently DH has said series 3 will end with a cliffhanger so perhaps it will end at the point when they get back to the beach. I can't think of another cliffhanger which is about three quarters of the way through the book. I keep hoping that the next episode will be better than the previous one and in some ways episode 6 was better but it would be difficult for it to be worse. I am very disappointed with this series. We know there will be series 4  and yesterday I saw something on Twitter mentioning a series 5. After that the contracts with the original actors run out. It will be good not to have the distraction of the series so I can get back into the books and appreciate them even more. If they publish the series 3 scripts it will be interesting to see how much they were tampered with. Series 2 scripts had quite a few changes but series on were left as they were written by DH.

 


Stella and Fijane

 I hope you are both right about them moving on quickly with the Hugh and Demelza 'show' by the end of this series. I would like it to be over with as soon as possible! I hope they don't continue to overdo the Hugh role as we have seen far too much of him already compared to the books.

Fijane - I suppose we will all have some interesting ideas and expectations regarding Hugh. His character was so lightly drawn by WG that it gives us plenty of scope for our imaginations. Of the very few references to his physical features, the best I can find refer to his 'large dark eyes with lashes that any woman would envy' and his 'keen, sharp-featured face' (TFS Bk1 Ch4 II.) A few pages further on, possibly the most revealing description for me is this :-

'This young man's hawk profile, deeply sensitive dark eyes and gentle urgent voice moved her strangely'

As I am sure you know, this was Demelza's first meeting with Hugh (unlike in the series) and I believe that the 'hawk' reference may have been a deliberate one by WG to foreshadow future events.

This made me begin to think of him as a predator and Demelza his prey. And for me that's how it turned out. So I have included below one of my short imaginings of Hugh (for now hidden as a spoiler because I'm not sure if it belongs here.)

 

Spoiler



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The alternate universe keeps rolling along. All in all DH is true to the story even if things are a little out of place. The whole invention of Hugh going to see Dwight I guess is her attempt to make Hugh seem more like a regular guy, rather than the seducer we know him to be. I am pleased, however, that DH has Ross and Demelza in a good and loving place. It is important if they are to work their way through the troubles ahead. 

The question for me is should I stand by my prediction of how things are to turn out? If DH sticks to the books we should see in Episode 7 Demelsa's first real encounter with Hugh. In 8 we should see his visit with the tree, and possible Ross and Demeza's return visit, and at the end of 8 or the beginning of 9 we should see Ross and Demelza's discussion about her feelings, and the morning goodby were Hugh professes his love and Demelza tacitly agreeing to accept his letters. The last scene in 9, and the end of this season I think would be Demelza standing on the cliff alone, looking out to sea and holding one of Hugh's poems. We would then have to wait until next year to visit the seals, the estrangement, London, etc. However, DH seems to have some surprises for us. The last scene in the preview has Ross asking Demelza what she wants. If that is a confrontation about Hugh it would be totally inconsistent with the book. If it is about something else like Ross's future in politics we may still be on track. We will have to wait and see, but I suspect that the alternative universe may be moving further way from WG's "reality." 


I can't see DH holding the Seal Cave over to the next series. I expect it to occur in the second- or third-last episode of this series. Based on past experience, I think she will ditch the beautiful conversations between Ross and Demelza where she struggles to come to terms with her attraction to Hugh.

I am also expecting DH to emasculate Ross after the event, in keeping with her attempts to make their relationship like a modern one. (In the words of Dr Phil, so how's that working for you?) There won't be much contrition from Demelza, just an attitude of revenge and vindication.

I have to admit that Hugh in the show does not match my imagined Hugh at all.


 Fijane - I agree with you. Apparently DH has said series 3 will end with a cliffhanger so perhaps it will end at the point when they get back to the beach. I can't think of another cliffhanger which is about three quarters of the way through the book. I keep hoping that the next episode will be better than the previous one and in some ways episode 6 was better but it would be difficult for it to be worse. I am very disappointed with this series. We know there will be series 4  and yesterday I saw something on Twitter mentioning a series 5. After that the contracts with the original actors run out. It will be good not to have the distraction of the series so I can get back into the books and appreciate them even more. If they publish the series 3 scripts it will be interesting to see how much they were tampered with. Series 2 scripts had quite a few changes but series on were left as they were written by DH.

 



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One of the many flaws in this series is that Hugh Armitage has featured alongside Demelza already.

In the book, the whole scenario begins with R&D visiting the Bassetts, where Hugh is also a guest, and D meets him for the first time.  By having him around the Sawle/Nampara area when he first is rescued spoils the whole storyline.  Anyway, a member of the Boscawen family would hardly be mixing with mining families.  They would have had him safely tucked up at Tregothnan.  That presents another problem, because it seems as though Bassett and Lord Falmouth have been rolled into one character.

I realise that only so many characters can be afforded, but both these become more prominent in later books.  However, now DH is not following the books and is making up much of the action, I expect it won't really matter.

Cannot agree with Welmet about being true to the story at all.  The spark between Ross and Demelza is absent too.



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welmet wrote:

The alternate universe keeps rolling along. All in all DH is true to the story even if things are a little out of place. The whole invention of Hugh going to see Dwight I guess is her attempt to make Hugh seem more like a regular guy, rather than the seducer we know him to be. I am pleased, however, that DH has Ross and Demelza in a good and loving place. It is important if they are to work their way through the troubles ahead. 

The question for me is should I stand by my prediction of how things are to turn out? If DH sticks to the books we should see in Episode 7 Demelsa's first real encounter with Hugh. In 8 we should see his visit with the tree, and possible Ross and Demeza's return visit, and at the end of 8 or the beginning of 9 we should see Ross and Demelza's discussion about her feelings, and the morning goodby were Hugh professes his love and Demelza tacitly agreeing to accept his letters. The last scene in 9, and the end of this season I think would be Demelza standing on the cliff alone, looking out to sea and holding one of Hugh's poems. We would then have to wait until next year to visit the seals, the estrangement, London, etc. However, DH seems to have some surprises for us. The last scene in the preview has Ross asking Demelza what she wants. If that is a confrontation about Hugh it would be totally inconsistent with the book. If it is about something else like Ross's future in politics we may still be on track. We will have to wait and see, but I suspect that the alternative universe may be moving further way from WG's "reality." 


I can't see DH holding the Seal Cave over to the next series. I expect it to occur in the second- or third-last episode of this series. Based on past experience, I think she will ditch the beautiful conversations between Ross and Demelza where she struggles to come to terms with her attraction to Hugh.

I am also expecting DH to emasculate Ross after the event, in keeping with her attempts to make their relationship like a modern one. (In the words of Dr Phil, so how's that working for you?) There won't be much contrition from Demelza, just an attitude of revenge and vindication.

I have to admit that Hugh in the show does not match my imagined Hugh at all.



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I liked what she did with the reason for Morwenna agreeing to marry Obnoxious Ossie - in the book it was a bit of a non-event, but she tied it all in neatly with the bible thing and the threat to hang Drake. Made it so much sadder. Though I did think the three of them rushing into the church was a bit silly - would have been more realistic if they had seen from a distance as they came out of the church (however, that could have been the director's decision rather than DH's) And anyway, I would have expected it to be a much grander wedding - there didn't seem to be anyone there!


 I agree with you for the most part, but I thought the church scene had merit. George's gotcha gloat was not lost on Ross, who then seemed to realize his visit to Trenwith saved Drake's neck but it also destroyed his life. 



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From bad to worse last week - this week from worse to worser!  (excuse the grammar)

WG wrote so much material there is really no need for inventing stories for all the characters.  A friend has told me the 1970s second series, which covered the same books as this current one, was actually more faithful than the DH version. 

Last night,  Ross and George had a non-conversation about GC and the Bible - hard to see how that changed G's mind.

As for the toad episode, total rubbish!  So many people knew about it, there was no secret at all.  The wedding scene was ridiculous too.  Ross and co would never have gate-crashed it.  Also Drake, though good as an actor, is given far too many liberties.  He is supposed to be a carpenter/mine worker.  Folk like him couldn't find time to gallivant as much as he does.

In the books, I love the conversations Drake and Ross have about losing a sweetheart and getting back to work etc.  On screen Ross seems to have no time to talk properly to anyone, he's just swanning around.  There is no cohesion.

I feel the heart has gone out of the series.  Am very saddened by the deterioration...



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For me the whole of series 3 so far is spoiled by the many changes in the order of events and by Ross and Demelza not appearing to be very close to each other. We don't really know what's going in in their relationship and there are no bedtime conversations to tell us. In fact, we know little of what is coming as DH seems to be re-writing too much of the original story. However, in spite of this I enjoy  the visual dimension of WG's work but I think he would have been quite angry at the changes.



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I liked what she did with the reason for Morwenna agreeing to marry Obnoxious Ossie - in the book it was a bit of a non-event, but she tied it all in neatly with the bible thing and the threat to hang Drake. Made it so much sadder. Though I did think the three of them rushing into the church was a bit silly - would have been more realistic if they had seen from a distance as they came out of the church (however, that could have been the director's decision rather than DH's) And anyway, I would have expected it to be a much grander wedding - there didn't seem to be anyone there!



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The alternate universe keeps rolling along. All in all DH is true to the story even if things are a little out of place. The whole invention of Hugh going to see Dwight I guess is her attempt to make Hugh seem more like a regular guy, rather than the seducer we know him to be. I am pleased, however, that DH has Ross and Demelza in a good and loving place. It is important if they are to work their way through the troubles ahead. 

The question for me is should I stand by my prediction of how things are to turn out? If DH sticks to the books we should see in Episode 7 Demelsa's first real encounter with Hugh. In 8 we should see his visit with the tree, and possible Ross and Demeza's return visit, and at the end of 8 or the beginning of 9 we should see Ross and Demelza's discussion about her feelings, and the morning goodby were Hugh professes his love and Demelza tacitly agreeing to accept his letters. The last scene in 9, and the end of this season I think would be Demelza standing on the cliff alone, looking out to sea and holding one of Hugh's poems. We would then have to wait until next year to visit the seals, the estrangement, London, etc. However, DH seems to have some surprises for us. The last scene in the preview has Ross asking Demelza what she wants. If that is a confrontation about Hugh it would be totally inconsistent with the book. If it is about something else like Ross's future in politics we may still be on track. We will have to wait and see, but I suspect that the alternative universe may be moving further way from WG's "reality." 



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