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Stella Poldark wrote:
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 That's really surprising. The British television industry must be very unlike Hollywood. I can't imagine a television series here not having such an essential exterior locked up contractually for the life of the show.

 


 The BBC were unsure whether they would commission further episodes. It is our public service broadcaster and is funded by the licence fee and the government. The government has starved the BBC of funding so they have to justify programmes by audience figures. So yes, the BBC is completely unlike Hollywood or any private television company.

They will have had to pay for the use of the outside of the house used as Nampara but possibly it was only for two years. The owner may not have wanted to renew as I understand he was not happy with the number of people coming to see it.



-- Edited by Stella Poldark on Thursday 22nd of June 2017 10:37:26 PM


How funny, doesn't he realize he's just locked the barn door after the horse escaped? The residents of Dilling Street in North Hollywood, Calif., can tell him all about it. The house at 11222 Dilling Street was used as the exteriors for a situation comedy called "The Brady Bunch" from 1969 to 1974, and it still attracts visitors, thanks to the series' subsequent life in syndication and then as a cable TV staple. 



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 That's really surprising. The British television industry must be very unlike Hollywood. I can't imagine a television series here not having such an essential exterior locked up contractually for the life of the show.

 


 The BBC were unsure whether they would commission further episodes. It is our public service broadcaster and is funded by the licence fee and the government. The government has starved the BBC of funding so they have to justify programmes by audience figures. So yes, the BBC is completely unlike Hollywood or any private television company.

They will have had to pay for the use of the outside of the house used as Nampara but possibly it was only for two years. The owner may not have wanted to renew as I understand he was not happy with the number of people coming to see it.



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 That's really surprising. The British television industry must be very unlike Hollywood. I can't imagine a television series here not having such an essential exterior locked up contractually for the life of the show.

 



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Why do they have Demelza looking homeless and wench like?


The parlor at Nampara is looking awfully dark as well. Maybe that Wheal Grace wealth Ross promised has been slow to materialize. 


 The outside of Nampara is different as well. It seems they have not been able to use the outside of the same house as in series 1 and 2.



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Why do they have Demelza looking homeless and wench like?


The parlor at Nampara is looking awfully dark as well. Maybe that Wheal Grace wealth Ross promised has been slow to materialize. 



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Why do they have Demelza looking homeless and wench like?

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Dark Mare wrote:

I agree. Debbie Horsfield's got more than one thumb on the scale on Demelza's behalf.

I wonder whether she, like me, felt frustrated with WG's account of Ross' handling of the Armitage matter. He predicted what was going to happen, told Demelza her wish for a totally platonic special day with Hugh was unrealistic and then stood back and watched everything happen as if it were a test of Demelza's character. 


 I think the problem is that the whole affair is so conflicted. This and other boards are full of discussions trying to make sense of what is going on in the heads of Hugh, Ross and Demelza.  I suspect that DH feels she needs a clear way through this for the casual viewer. Just consider your statement above about how Ross handled things. I completely agree to the point that I think he was conplicit in the affair. Others have taken great exception to that line of thinking putting it all on Demelza.  A clear justification for Demelza acceptance of Hugh's advances is not  easy to find in the book except for the fact of the strong physical attraction from the start. Years later she still says that she got that electric shock from only two, presumable Ross and Hugh, but even the strong physical attraction as justification does not come until she looks back on her visit to the Seal Cove. DH needs a way to allow the affair to develop, but not to the point that it breaks the marriage. Retaliation, even though Demelza strongly denies it in the books may give DH that way forward.  We will have to wait and see over the next few weeks, or possible into season 4. 



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I think the overarching problem with the show is that they are taking intimate thoughts, background worries and nuanced conversations, and turning them into melodrama. The viewer is being bludgeoned with the story instead of letting it unfold gently. Making Valentine's birth so dramatic really jarred with me, especially pretending that Elizabeth was in danger. The incident of the stairs: fans of the book are still (decades later) trying to decide if it was significant or not, deliberate or not. But DH has made up her own mind, and presented it in such a way that the viewer has to follow her. She has taken the underlying angst of the six books of the future, compressed it into one night's action, and ruined the punchline.



Fijane - There is talk of a series 5 which would cover books 5 to 12! if this is true perhaps DH is cramming in some thing in later books to give herself more space for other things. Just a thought. I agree that so much was packed into the episode.



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I agree. Debbie Horsfield's got more than one thumb on the scale on Demelza's behalf.

I wonder whether she, like me, felt frustrated with WG's account of Ross' handling of the Armitage matter. He predicted what was going to happen, told Demelza her wish for a totally platonic special day with Hugh was unrealistic and then stood back and watched everything happen as if it were a test of Demelza's character. (Then again, I lost a bit of respect for Demelza's good judgment when she gave Ross Elizabeth's May 9th letter when he returned from Truro after 9 p.m. that night. She'd had the letter since something like 3 p.m., which was more than enough time to "misplace" it so she wouldn't have to give it to him until the next morning, or even to return the letter to Elizabeth, tell her she won't allow her to break Ross' heart in a letter and demand that she show up for dinner at Nampara the next day to tell him in person, promising to be nearby to stop him from trying to browbeat her. I think DH made the right call on that one, having the letter delivered shortly after Ross got home.)



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Seeing episode 1 of season 3 was for me  seeing an alternate universe. Familiar characters, but a very different story line, when compared to a similar point in the book, particularly the walk on the beach at the end when Ross leans that he is a to be a father again. Broadly the story is the same---he is going to be a father again---but what is left out and added makes a lot of difference, In the TV version one never gets the sense of intimate reconciliation that is in the book. The left out words are --"it would be a small matter surprising if I hadnt (become pregnant). Since Christmas its been nothing else, has it." The added words,"everything in this world seems less certain, except for you." D says, "Are you so certain of me?" R, say ,"Perhaps I don't deserve to be." D responds, "No, you do not." this all seems completely out of place for a loving reconciled couple, except if you know what is coming. Apparently,  DH is preparing the viewers for things to come. I felt that the whole tone of the episode showed the Ross had hardly move on, which in the viewers eyes will made her affair seem all the more justified. I think DH is trying to provide more justification than is in the book.  In TAT when Ross  suggests that she may be paying him back, D says "No. No. Don't think I have a heartache for Hugh out of retaliation? You surely could not!"  



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We in Australia are a week behind the UK, so last Sunday was "yeah! Poldark's back!" Sunday for us.

I had read all your comments before watching and I think it is a case of forewarned is forearmed. And as a result, I liked the episode. I was prepared for the story changes, and therefore found them less jarring. It was a bit weird having all the events happen on top of each other on the same night. And all the emphasis on the black moon was also strange, considering it should have been only Agatha who noticed it.

Demelza was OK, but got narky again at the end of the episode. She really is quite unpleasant when harping on about Elizabeth, and the under-the-breath niggling comments are so out of character. At the start of the ep, she was normal again when they were planning the wedding and she went to Tom's deathbed.

I think the overarching problem with the show is that they are taking intimate thoughts, background worries and nuanced conversations, and turning them into melodrama. The viewer is being bludgeoned with the story instead of letting it unfold gently. Making Valentine's birth so dramatic really jarred with me, especially pretending that Elizabeth was in danger. The incident of the stairs: fans of the book are still (decades later) trying to decide if it was significant or not, deliberate or not. But DH has made up her own mind, and presented it in such a way that the viewer has to follow her. She has taken the underlying angst of the six books of the future, compressed it into one night's action, and ruined the punchline.

I don't know why Dwight and Caroline had to marry - I suppose we will have to wait to see what the purpose was. I hope she is not going to skip all the buildup to the rescue mission, with the French emigres and the disastrous landing.

In spite of these overarching concerns, I enjoyed the scenes and acting, and the new characters, although Sam Carne is coming across as a bit pompous instead of devout.

 

PS Can we have a new thread for each episode, as done in the previous seasons?



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I don't mind changes if I felt that they were an improvement to the story.  But aside from Demelza's lingering feelings over what happened on May 9 and the Gimletts' no show . . . most of the other changes do not seem necessary or like an improvement from the novels.

 

 

Will Demelza ever smile again?  At the start of the Black Moon (book), she and Ross were happy and very close.  Why is there need to change her so much?  She is not being 'feisty', just grumpy.  Ross is still hankering after Elizabeth, even though we know at the end of series 2 he had finally realised he loved only Demelza.

 

It is possible that Ross had lied to Demelza when he told her that he loved only her.

 

 Demelza would never have gone back to Illuggan, Dwight didn't get shore leave - that alone alters the story apropos his capture and rescue. I could go on, but it is too depressing.

 

I also don't recall Dwight and Caroline getting married in "The Black Moon".

 

 



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... Of course, I am only complaining because they haven't seen fit to include John and Jane Gimlett!!....biggrin

Mrs G


 Mrs. G, you've got to blame WG for that. He made the Gimletts such perfect servants that they became almost invisible. T'ain't right, t'ain't fair, t'ain't fitty.



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I enjoyed the episode! I quite like the fact that it varies from the books. It comes fresh, almost like a new story, though in spite of the changes it seems to be keeping pretty well to the spirit of the characters - which to me is the most important thing. And I like the edgy dynamic between Ross and Demelza - she's forgiven, but not yet forgotten, while he's being a typical bloke (sorry!) and trying to pretend that nothing ever happened. It's more interesting than if everything between them was tickety-boo already.  


 I think I will be able to enjoy series 3 if I just forget the books. There is an edginess between Ross and Demelza but I don't agree that Ross is pretending nothing ever happened. I think he is at last seeing the damage he has done to others by his night at Trenwith and struggling to know how to make amends in some way. That is quite a huge responsibility to come to terms with and I think he has cut himself off from others in order to process it. Just my take on it.


 I respect your opinion. I don't mind a few strays, but it is hard to forget the books because it is the source!



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SusanneMcCarthy wrote:

I enjoyed the episode! I quite like the fact that it varies from the books. It comes fresh, almost like a new story, though in spite of the changes it seems to be keeping pretty well to the spirit of the characters - which to me is the most important thing. And I like the edgy dynamic between Ross and Demelza - she's forgiven, but not yet forgotten, while he's being a typical bloke (sorry!) and trying to pretend that nothing ever happened. It's more interesting than if everything between them was tickety-boo already.  


 I think I will be able to enjoy series 3 if I just forget the books. There is an edginess between Ross and Demelza but I don't agree that Ross is pretending nothing ever happened. I think he is at last seeing the damage he has done to others by his night at Trenwith and struggling to know how to make amends in some way. That is quite a huge responsibility to come to terms with and I think he has cut himself off from others in order to process it. Just my take on it.



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I don't how much I can stand. They utterly changed the characters in series 2. I might just stick with my beloved books. 

 



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I enjoyed the episode! I quite like the fact that it varies from the books. It comes fresh, almost like a new story, though in spite of the changes it seems to be keeping pretty well to the spirit of the characters - which to me is the most important thing. And I like the edgy dynamic between Ross and Demelza - she's forgiven, but not yet forgotten, while he's being a typical bloke (sorry!) and trying to pretend that nothing ever happened. It's more interesting than if everything between them was tickety-boo already.  



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Will Demelza ever smile again?  At the start of the Black Moon (book), she and Ross were happy and very close.  Why is there need to change her so much?  She is not being 'feisty', just grumpy.  Ross is still hankering after Elizabeth, even though we know at the end of series 2 he had finally realised he loved only Demelza.

I don't think I shall be watching any more.  The writer/editors/producers or whoever is responsible for this hotch-potch have reneged on their statement of wanting to present the story in line with the books.  Demelza would never have gone back to Illuggan, Dwight didn't get shore leave - that alone alters the story apropos his capture and rescue. I could go on, but it is too depressing.

When Poldark is on TV, I shall spend an hour reading the books instead.

Such a lost opportunity.  We began with raised hopes and after the first few episodes of series one it has been on a downward spiral, so far as faithfulness to the original goes.

Of course, I am only complaining because they haven't seen fit to include John and Jane Gimlett!!....biggrin

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 Mrs G

I do not get the impression that Ross is hankering after Elizabeth but I think he now realises the extent of the damage his night at Trenwith has caused both to Demelza and Elizabeth.

I do agree with you that it is a lost opportunity and the changes in the order of events is more than confusing but I shall continue to watch it on the basis that it is a drama production and the books are quite separate. In other words, I am not going to try to make sense of it in terms of the books.

It would be a pity though for you to stop watching it as it would deprive everyone of your knowledge and understanding of WG's books. Perhaps you might re-consider?

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Will Demelza ever smile again?  At the start of the Black Moon (book), she and Ross were happy and very close.  Why is there need to change her so much?  She is not being 'feisty', just grumpy.  Ross is still hankering after Elizabeth, even though we know at the end of series 2 he had finally realised he loved only Demelza.

I don't think I shall be watching any more.  The writer/editors/producers or whoever is responsible for this hotch-potch have reneged on their statement of wanting to present the story in line with the books.  Demelza would never have gone back to Illuggan, Dwight didn't get shore leave - that alone alters the story apropos his capture and rescue. I could go on, but it is too depressing.

When Poldark is on TV, I shall spend an hour reading the books instead.

Such a lost opportunity.  We began with raised hopes and after the first few episodes of series one it has been on a downward spiral, so far as faithfulness to the original goes.

Of course, I am only complaining because they haven't seen fit to include John and Jane Gimlett!!....biggrin

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Today I watched series three first episode, for me it was a total disgrace! DH changed a LOT OF THINGS. Where do you read in the books that Jeffrey Charles visited Ross at the mine? Demelza DIDN'T SAW HER DYING FATHER! Ross didn't visit George in his bank. Caroline NEVER MARRIED Dwight when her Uncle Ray was still alive! As far as I can remember they got engaged not married. It's such a pitty that I have to watch this, just because my sibling don't really want to read the books, or to reads the books after the whole series ends.



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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

Oh dear oh dear oh dear!!  Sticking to the books?  I think not...

 


 Mrs G you are right. I have decided I shall continue to watch it as if it were just a television drama and try to block out the books. That way I can enjoy the books separately while hopefully enjoying the drama as a production only loosely based on WG's Poldark books. If I have few expectations perhaps I shall not be disappointed.



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I'm not really surprised.  Not after Series 2.  Let's face it.  The BBC is obviously incapable of sticking closely to the novels.  They weren't back in 1975-77 and they certainly aren't now.


Either that or some actors have much better agents than others do. If Mark Frost, who plays Tom Carne, shows up again in Series 3 as a ghost haunting Demelza or Sam and Drake, we'll know. 



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American "Poldark" fans,

if you don't want to wait until September to watch Series 3 on PBS, you can watch it free online at tvcatchup.com. The show airs at 9 p.m. in the U.K., which works out to be 4 p.m. EDT, 3 p.m. CDT, 2 p.m. MDT and 1 p.m. PDT. 

I watched Episode 1 today on my iPad. The screen froze briefly twice, but that may have been the fault of my wifi, rather than the website. 

If you can't watch but don't want to wait for PBS, the Hollywood-based Anglophile Channel is syncing its Poldark Dish episode recaps to the BBC's schedule instead of PBS' this season. Here is a link to its Episode 1 recap: https://youtu.be/0OEUZfuCv24



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I'm not really surprised.  Not after Series 2.  Let's face it.  The BBC is obviously incapable of sticking closely to the novels.  They weren't back in 1975-77 and they certainly aren't now.



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Oh dear oh dear oh dear!!  Sticking to the books?  I think not...

 



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