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Date: Mar 6 7:30 PM, 2017
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Ah lol, but as I said at the beginning we're not really talking about George here but Cary who was only ever interested in creating opportunities for Warleggan Bank not mere people, George as usual leaving the most difficult and shadiest side of things to him rather than as you say tying himself up in knots as I think even he at times thought Cary went too far....



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Thinking about how George reacted when insulted or snubbed, I suspect if he ever found out about Ross being offered positions before he was, George would have kept very quiet about it. It seems inconceivable George wouldn't get to hear about it.  How wonderful if he discovered Ross had been offered a magistracy on the day the toads arrived back in the pool!

Your theory, Ross, is ingenious, but I fancy George is more likely to fume in his office, trying to see how he can do a disservice to Ross in the future, than tie himself up in knots with the bank. 

Ross, meanwhile, would just go about his normal business not caring one way or the other about who knew what.



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Ross--I'm not sure that strategy would have worked. Bassett was the richest man in Cornwall and Daniell was quite comfortable. So, wouldn't their associates have just told them of George's attempted strong-arm tactics and that would have angered both men and they would have warned George off, perhaps even promised retaliation. George was beholden to both.

Oh yes you're right of course on the surface, but the financial world now and probably just as much then would never ever consider taking such risky and highly dangerous public behaviour no matter who the victim was if something very important indeed to them was at stake, especially if a borrower of standing was falling seriously behind with their repayments. Equally the opposite, witness George studiously turning a constant blind eye to Francis's increasing debts if it brought him more and more into favour with Elizabeth and less and less with Ross which in the end worked out perfectly as she married him.

So with Warleggan's Bank being I think the largest or almost in the county and presumably with almost the largest number of accounts, I'm pretty sure that cold blooded Cary would personally have very carefully selected from no doubt quite a long list of important overdue borrowers/ associates on their books those who would do anything to avoid any form of publicity whatsoever, especially if they thought that their private affairs at worst could be made public in say bankruptcy court proceedings.

Instead being one of Basset's or Daniel's closest associates they would most likely be party to highly confidential details that neither Bassett or Daniel would want to be aired at all, so perhaps would it not be in all their interests to publicly withdraw the offer to Ross. In other words everyone at that very high level of Society have secrets that must always be kept hidden and Cary was no stranger to making it his personal business in life to find out as much information as possible about all the top levels of Cornish society in case it was ever needed.

Small wonder I think Ross was always so careful to stay well away from Warleggan's Bank with their dubious and underhand tactics and remain permanently with Pascoe's....



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Ross wrote:

However to avoid the awful and quite intolerable public possibility that he was second choice or worse an afterthought after Ross a little hidden backdoor financial pressure or similar on Basset and Daniel via perhaps their closest associates, to on second thoughts publicly withdraw their original offer to Ross on whatever grounds could be dreamed up might just be too tempting for him to resist ?

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Ross--I'm not sure that strategy would have worked. Bassett was the richest man in Cornwall and Daniell was quite comfortable. So, wouldn't their associates have just told them of George's attempted strong-arm tactics and that would have angered both men and they would have warned George off, perhaps even promised retaliation. George was beholden to both. 



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Mrs Gimlett, I agree. George's apparent ignorance about the two offers is puzzling. It is definitely inconsistent with how even the most cloistered secrets soon became public knowledge. (Or maybe it was just Ross' secrets.) Even Lord Falmouth, Bassett's bitter enemy at the time, knew about the proposal. George most certainly would have had his ears to the 'keyhole' and would have heard either through his spies or through someone like the gossipy Osborne.

Stella, I agree that George might have thought he was getting another one over on Ross. Rather than souring his relish for the position, he might have rationalized that by accepting (grabbing) the nomination he would prove to the gentry that he was more one of them than Ross, the perpetual renegade and nonconformist. Still, this doesn't explain George's arrogant swaggering whenever he saw Ross.

Mrs Gimlett, WG did miss a wonderful opportunity of letting us witness George's sick ego stew in its own juices. I think Elizabeth and, unfortunately,  Valentine would have suffered his immediate wrath. Like Tom Harry, George was such a bully. Only their methods differed.



-- Edited by Hollyhock on Sunday 5th of March 2017 06:13:18 PM

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From what we know of George, wouldn't he be spitting blood even at the thought of Ross being approached before him?  Certainly he would never be able to tell anyone, especially not Elizabeth, who treated his offer to become a Magistrate as though he had been invited to a game of whist.

If anything guaranteed him being in a terrible mood, it would surely be learning that his great enemy was even considered to be an MP.  If George did know, would it have lowered his estimation of Bassett, to whom he was so obsequious, when it became clear that his friendship (initially) wouldn't be rejected? 

I think WG missed an opportunity.  He could have had great fun with George's emotions and behaviour when he first got an inkling of a possible offer of position, descending to bitterness and scorn when it became clear he was only second choice behind that 'impudent squireen'.



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Good question Mrs. G....

I think that even if George hadn't found out directly, he would have soon heard what was going on from most likely one of his landed gentry customers such as the ever impoverished St. Aubyn, or someone equally anxious to stay in his good books if say behind with their repayments or anxious to reduce the interest on their loan etc.

However to avoid the awful and quite intolerable public possibility that he was second choice or worse an afterthought after Ross a little hidden backdoor financial pressure or similar on Basset and Daniel via perhaps their closest associates, to on second thoughts publicly withdraw their original offer to Ross on whatever grounds could be dreamed up might just be too tempting for him to resist ?

Certainly Cary would be falling over himself at such a rare golden opportunity....



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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

After the postings over the past weeks about certain characters, I found myself reading The Four Swans from start to finish!  I know - for the umpteenth time...

However, as nearly always on a re-read, I found myself wondering about something I had never considered before.  What do you all think?

 

Ross is invited to Trelissick (I know that is in Black Moon), and turns down the offer of a Magistracy from Mr Daniel.  Later, he is invited to Tehidy and turns down the offer of standing as Member of Parliament for Truro from Francis Bassett.

We learn that the knowledge is disseminated through 'those in the know' and Ross finds (as if he was unaware of it) that no secrets are safe in the county. (except perhaps one)  Now - did George get to hear about Ross' offers?  It isn't mentioned and of course he would hate to think that each time he was an afterthought, but he surely must have heard rumours about it, especially the latter offer.

What would his reaction would have been on learning about this information? Would it have soured his relish for such positions?

Discuss...


 I have thought about this myself Mrs G and got a feeling from the story and George's character that George was only too pleased to step in and grab the Magistry. We know, I think, that he wanted to be an MP and I think he will have thought that it was yet another example of Ross' stupidity that he didn't accept the offer. There is one caveat to this and that is that, having watched the production, I can never be sure without consulting the books, whether this is books George or Horsfield George. I tend to think it's both. George would not have been too proud to accept such positions as they carried power and influence. Both of these appealed to George. No doubt he would have preferred to have been offered them before Ross but you cannot have it all.



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After the postings over the past weeks about certain characters, I found myself reading The Four Swans from start to finish!  I know - for the umpteenth time...

However, as nearly always on a re-read, I found myself wondering about something I had never considered before.  What do you all think?

 

Ross is invited to Trelissick (I know that is in Black Moon), and turns down the offer of a Magistracy from Mr Daniel.  Later, he is invited to Tehidy and turns down the offer of standing as Member of Parliament for Truro from Francis Bassett.

We learn that the knowledge is disseminated through 'those in the know' and Ross finds (as if he was unaware of it) that no secrets are safe in the county. (except perhaps one)  Now - did George get to hear about Ross' offers?  It isn't mentioned and of course he would hate to think that each time he was an afterthought, but he surely must have heard rumours about it, especially the latter offer.

What would his reaction would have been on learning about this information? Would it have soured his relish for such positions?

Discuss...



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