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RE: Demelza's pinch protest in "The Black Moon": Any guesses on what she stopped herself from saying?
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Hmm, well that would make Ross squeak I would think, but you're right, no May 9th connection. 

Actually, that scene has always made me wonder about something. Is there some kind of silent sizing up that goes on between brothers and any new man in their sister's life, and is there something about it that's a turn-on? That scene in "The Black Moon" where Ross pinched Demelza's bottom just out of view of her brothers reminded me of the time I took my then-new-boyfriend to visit my brother at UC Berkeley. (We lived in San Francisco.) After introductions and a brief conversation, my brother was called away and was to be gone for about a half-hour. We agreed to wait for him in his dorm room. Out of nowhere, my boyfriend started getting amorous, and I realized he actually thought we ... well, you can imagine what he thought. I was stunned. I said forget it, spotted "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" in the bookcase, pulled it out and handed it to him. "I've already read it," he grumbled. I told him to look for the passage about the hitchhiker or the one about the hotel lobby with carpeting so thick that they needed golf shoes. Good old Hunter S. Thompson worked his magic, and soon he was laughing uproariously. Embarrassing situation averted. 

 

In both instances, there was an embarrassed sister wondering what just happened and why. Who is this man?



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You are welcome I'd really like to know what comment WG had in mind here, too!

Your guess made me laugh out loud. And while I wouldn't exactly qualify a threat to Ross's nose as ribald either, it gave me another idea - maybe Demelza threatened to pinch him in return, and not quite on his bottom?

A weak point of this one, though, is that I can't see a reason why Demelza would be more likely to suppress this comment after May 9th...



-- Edited by Blackleburr on Friday 22nd of June 2018 09:26:52 PM

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At last someone has ventured an actual guess. Blackburr, I like it, but it doesn't really qualify as ribald. When I tried to figure it out, the best I could come up with was a playful warning: "Ross, you shouldn't do that when my brothers are around if you like the shape of your nose. When we were children, we were forever sneaking up and pinching and punching each other for fun, and old habits do die hard. Did you think Sam was born with that nose? I gave it to him the last time he pinched me."



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I was thinking that the reply could have been something like: "Oh, and you know this from your own experience with all those ladies of quality?" And then she would realize which "lady of quality" this might immediately suggest, and decide not to say it out loud.

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I think the ribald comment which remained unsaid was WGs way of conveying the information that Ross and Demelza's relationship was still in the recovery mode.  It was a bare three months since she had packed a bag, threatening to leave him.  Previously, there were no holds barred, but after Christmas 1793, they were each cautious with the other for some while.  It took months before their spontaneous conversation assumed its former level.

What the comment might have been?  Only WG knew.



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Stella Poldark wrote:
SusanneMcCarthy wrote:

I thought it might be along the lines of not being a lady of quality - which once she would have been quite happy to joke about, but after the "May 9th incident" it had become quite a sensitive subject. It was very perceptive of WG to recognise the subtle damage that had done to their relationship. 


 I think you are spot on with this Susanne. Once again I am reminded how many gems there are in the books, many of which I still miss and which are incapable of translating to the screen.

Stella


Susanne, the sentence says: A ribald reply came to Demelzas lips but she suppressed it. 

What would be ribald about saying she wasn't a lady of quality? It's gotta be something else. 

Stella, you wrote: "which are incapable of translating to the screen."

Actually, a lot of romantic comedies in the 1950s had no problem translating that to the screen. Then again, the women usually were wearing sheath dresses or pencil skirts in those movies so you might be right. 

 

 



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SusanneMcCarthy wrote:

I thought it might be along the lines of not being a lady of quality - which once she would have been quite happy to joke about, but after the "May 9th incident" it had become quite a sensitive subject. It was very perceptive of WG to recognise the subtle damage that had done to their relationship. 


 I think you are spot on with this Susanne. Once again I am reminded how many gems there are in the books, many of which I still miss and which are incapable of translating to the screen.

Stella



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I thought it might be along the lines of not being a lady of quality - which once she would have been quite happy to joke about, but after the "May 9th incident" it had become quite a sensitive subject. It was very perceptive of WG to recognise the subtle damage that had done to their relationship. 



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In Chapter 2 of "The Black Moon," Demelza privately lodges a protest to Ross for pinching her bottom nearly within view of her newly arrived brothers. 
  
"A little more need be said, Ross, for you cannot expect me to maintain my dignity in the house if you pinch me the way you did this afternoon when we were scarcely out of their sight!"
 
"All ladies of quality must learn to suffer this," Ross said. "But they show this quality by suffering it in silence." 
 
A ribald reply came to Demelzas lips but she suppressed it. It was in the quick thrust and counterthrust of joking that the chasms could still appear. 
 
Can anyone guess what that self-stifled ribald reply might have been? I have overtaxed my feeble brain trying to imagine what it was, but I have come up with exactly nothing. 




-- Edited by Dark Mare on Wednesday 21st of December 2016 01:45:34 AM

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