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Fijane wrote:
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"What's that noise? Is it angry tides beating against the Cornish shore? is it the roar of thunder heralding a storm that will rock Ross, Demelza, Elizabeth and George? Or is it the sound of the Poldark fans, sniffling into their hankies, as it ends with a series of emotional sucker-punches?

 The sound of sobbing will be the faithful Poldark fans, mourning the destruction of their series!


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Hello everyone, found this synopsis for episode 10 of series 2 on the Poldarked website , not sure where they get the write ups from, but previous ones do follow the episodes, this at least sounds like some of the last sequences from Warleggan will be covered in the final episode.

 

Elizabeth tells George that she is carrying his child and George continues to mark his territory by erecting fences around Trenwith, denying commoners passage across his property.
Dwight learns of Carolines new engagement and enlists in the navy. Ross decides he must mend the rift between Caroline and Dwight before it is too late.
Ross is called to Trenwith by George, suspicious that the purchase of Geoffrey Charles share in the mine was fraudulent. Pascoe reveals to Ross that George will seek to bankrupt him through court proceedings.
Demelza is assaulted for trespassing on Warleggan land provoking the villagers to march on Trenwith with vengeance in mind - will Ross be able to disband the mob?



-- Edited by Bella on Tuesday 1st of November 2016 11:43:06 AM


This synopsis carefully avoids all the (hopefully) red herrings from the trailer, and only gives us the bits that match, or nearly, the books.

It doesn't explain D being a fishwife again, R dressed in army clothes etc. Are they trying to downplay the changes?

Sorry, Caroline's new engagement? I don't remember that from the books.



-- Edited by Fijane on Tuesday 1st of November 2016 10:39:06 PM


 So, nothing about a reconciliation.  I believe we've been had.  I believe DH is going to leave us with a cliffhanger. 



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Bella wrote:

Hello everyone, found this synopsis for episode 10 of series 2 on the Poldarked website , not sure where they get the write ups from, but previous ones do follow the episodes, this at least sounds like some of the last sequences from Warleggan will be covered in the final episode.

 

Elizabeth tells George that she is carrying his child and George continues to mark his territory by erecting fences around Trenwith, denying commoners passage across his property.
Dwight learns of Carolines new engagement and enlists in the navy. Ross decides he must mend the rift between Caroline and Dwight before it is too late.
Ross is called to Trenwith by George, suspicious that the purchase of Geoffrey Charles share in the mine was fraudulent. Pascoe reveals to Ross that George will seek to bankrupt him through court proceedings.
Demelza is assaulted for trespassing on Warleggan land provoking the villagers to march on Trenwith with vengeance in mind - will Ross be able to disband the mob?



-- Edited by Bella on Tuesday 1st of November 2016 11:43:06 AM


This synopsis carefully avoids all the (hopefully) red herrings from the trailer, and only gives us the bits that match, or nearly, the books.

It doesn't explain D being a fishwife again, R dressed in army clothes etc. Are they trying to downplay the changes?

Sorry, Caroline's new engagement? I don't remember that from the books.



-- Edited by Fijane on Tuesday 1st of November 2016 10:39:06 PM

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Stella Poldark wrote:
"What's that noise? Is it angry tides beating against the Cornish shore? is it the roar of thunder heralding a storm that will rock Ross, Demelza, Elizabeth and George? Or is it the sound of the Poldark fans, sniffling into their hankies, as it ends with a series of emotional sucker-punches?

 The sound of sobbing will be the faithful Poldark fans, mourning the destruction of their series!



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If Demelza only knew ... Margaret not only bedded Ross the night before he rescued her, but like Ruth Treneglos, Margaret had had designs on him. In "Demelza," she is the one who alerts Ross to the crowd of men surrounding Demelza at her first ball.

(Funny, I just realized that night was when I first had doubts about Ross' long-term suitability for Demelza. Was he going to be one of those men a girl married "when she was very, very young"? That doesn't make him a bad person, just the wrong one for her.) 



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I will be furious if the series doesn't end as Warleggan does.  DH says it would cover all of books 3 and 4.  But perhaps they don't.  Perhaps the cliffhanger is will Ross and Demelza reconcile?  Oh, if that is it, then I am finished with this series.

 

 

After the failure of the 1975 series to end as the novel did, it would be nice if this series was actually more faithful.

 

 

By the way, what was that encounter between Demelza and Margaret about?


Regarding the Demelza/Margaret encounter, that did happen in the book.  Margaret says she's had business with all the male Poldarks and Demelza realizes Ross has slept with her.


 

And so . . . she decides to lose her temper?


 It just rubs salt in the wound.



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I will be furious if the series doesn't end as Warleggan does.  DH says it would cover all of books 3 and 4.  But perhaps they don't.  Perhaps the cliffhanger is will Ross and Demelza reconcile?  Oh, if that is it, then I am finished with this series.

 

 

After the failure of the 1975 series to end as the novel did, it would be nice if this series was actually more faithful.

 

 

By the way, what was that encounter between Demelza and Margaret about?


Regarding the Demelza/Margaret encounter, that did happen in the book.  Margaret says she's had business with all the male Poldarks and Demelza realizes Ross has slept with her.


 

And so . . . she decides to lose her temper?



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I will be furious if the series doesn't end as Warleggan does.  DH says it would cover all of books 3 and 4.  But perhaps they don't.  Perhaps the cliffhanger is will Ross and Demelza reconcile?  Oh, if that is it, then I am finished with this series.

 

 

After the failure of the 1975 series to end as the novel did, it would be nice if this series was actually more faithful.

 

 

By the way, what was that encounter between Demelza and Margaret about?


Regarding the Demelza/Margaret encounter, that did happen in the book.  Margaret says she's had business with all the male Poldarks and Demelza realizes Ross has slept with her.



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I will be furious if the series doesn't end as Warleggan does.  DH says it would cover all of books 3 and 4.  But perhaps they don't.  Perhaps the cliffhanger is will Ross and Demelza reconcile?  Oh, if that is it, then I am finished with this series.

 

 

After the failure of the 1975 series to end as the novel did, it would be nice if this series was actually more faithful.

 

 

By the way, what was that encounter between Demelza and Margaret about?



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Perhaps if we don't have a fire and Ross enlisting, there will be time for the proper ending of book 4.

Surely, they are not going to emulate the 1970s series and go completely haywire...

Fingers crossed XX


The following is from the Radio Times telling us what to expect for next Sunday.

"What's that noise? Is it angry tides beating against the Cornish shore? is it the roar of thunder heralding a storm that will rock Ross, Demelza, Elizabeth and George? Or is it the sound of the Poldark fans, sniffling into their hankies, as it ends with a series of emotional sucker-punches?

Actually, it's all three. The sea is angry, there really is an actual storm and you'll need to have at least one little sob, particularly if you are a soppy, romantic fool, like me.

As we reach the final terrific episode (hang around after the credits and POLDARK WILL RETURN for a little taster of the next series) it looks like Ross and Demelza are fractured for ever. Though Ross is puzzled by his wife's fury at his faithlessness. "It was one night! How long will it take for you to forgive me? Buckle up Ross, it's going to be a bumpy ride."

I thought I would post for those who do not have access to the Radio Times. I feel let down by Debbie Horsfield. She has put the audience through the mill with this series and the least she could have done at the end was to have stayed with the the book. What do others think?


I will be furious if the series doesn't end as Warleggan does.  DH says it would cover all of books 3 and 4.  But perhaps they don't.  Perhaps the cliffhanger is will Ross and Demelza reconcile?  Oh, if that is it, then I am finished with this series.


 The only hope is that this was written to get audience figures but I fear it will end on a cliffhanger with Ross and Demelza's reconciliation in doubt. I think it may have the opposite effect and cannot wait to get back to the books after a roller-coaster series. Will there be time for Dwight and Caroline I wonder.



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In my opinion, I think the series will end on a cliffhanger! "Will Demelza and Ross ever reconcile?" And what happened to John Treneglos??????? It looks like Tankard is the new John Treneglos!!! What's it about Ross enlisting to the army?!?!?! What did Debbie Horsfield done with this beautiful and rich books?



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Stella Poldark wrote:
Mrs Gimlett wrote:

Perhaps if we don't have a fire and Ross enlisting, there will be time for the proper ending of book 4.

Surely, they are not going to emulate the 1970s series and go completely haywire...

Fingers crossed XX


The following is from the Radio Times telling us what to expect for next Sunday.

"What's that noise? Is it angry tides beating against the Cornish shore? is it the roar of thunder heralding a storm that will rock Ross, Demelza, Elizabeth and George? Or is it the sound of the Poldark fans, sniffling into their hankies, as it ends with a series of emotional sucker-punches?

Actually, it's all three. The sea is angry, there really is an actual storm and you'll need to have at least one little sob, particularly if you are a soppy, romantic fool, like me.

As we reach the final terrific episode (hang around after the credits and POLDARK WILL RETURN for a little taster of the next series) it looks like Ross and Demelza are fractured for ever. Though Ross is puzzled by his wife's fury at his faithlessness. "It was one night! How long will it take for you to forgive me? Buckle up Ross, it's going to be a bumpy ride."

I thought I would post for those who do not have access to the Radio Times. I feel let down by Debbie Horsfield. She has put the audience through the mill with this series and the least she could have done at the end was to have stayed with the the book. What do others think?


I will be furious if the series doesn't end as Warleggan does.  DH says it would cover all of books 3 and 4.  But perhaps they don't.  Perhaps the cliffhanger is will Ross and Demelza reconcile?  Oh, if that is it, then I am finished with this series.



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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

Perhaps if we don't have a fire and Ross enlisting, there will be time for the proper ending of book 4.

Surely, they are not going to emulate the 1970s series and go completely haywire...

Fingers crossed XX


The following is from the Radio Times telling us what to expect for next Sunday.

"What's that noise? Is it angry tides beating against the Cornish shore? is it the roar of thunder heralding a storm that will rock Ross, Demelza, Elizabeth and George? Or is it the sound of the Poldark fans, sniffling into their hankies, as it ends with a series of emotional sucker-punches?

Actually, it's all three. The sea is angry, there really is an actual storm and you'll need to have at least one little sob, particularly if you are a soppy, romantic fool, like me.

As we reach the final terrific episode (hang around after the credits and POLDARK WILL RETURN for a little taster of the next series) it looks like Ross and Demelza are fractured for ever. Though Ross is puzzled by his wife's fury at his faithlessness. "It was one night! How long will it take for you to forgive me? Buckle up Ross, it's going to be a bumpy ride."

I thought I would post for those who do not have access to the Radio Times. I feel let down by Debbie Horsfield. She has put the audience through the mill with this series and the least she could have done at the end was to have stayed with the the book. What do others think?



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Bear in mind that one newspaper synopsis mentioned George sending in the heavies to Trenwith a few weeks ago.  What happened?  Tankard turned up and mildly threatened Elizabeth about having tinners on the land.

Let's hope for the best, then we can be justified in complaining vigorously if it all goes pear shaped!



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That's essentially the final section of the book but in the wrong order. The mob is just Ross' threat from the meeting about the mine come to life. Oh and Pascoe is saying the exact opposite of what he said in the book. But I don't see how George's plan can work. Elizabeth first has to pay Ross back the £600 to get back the half of the mine. And then she has to pony up 50 percent of everything else he has put into the mine. Then Ross has to figure out the profit and pay Geoffrey Charles 50 percent of it, which I doubt equals what Elizabeth put in. 

Wait, there is something new. Jud, Jud Paynter, leading a mob to avenge an injury to Demelza? Impossible. Is Demelza, rather than Garrick, assaulted by the Harry brothers this time? Good luck getting out of that one, George. 



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Hello everyone, found this synopsis for episode 10 of series 2 on the Poldarked website , not sure where they get the write ups from, but previous ones do follow the episodes, this at least sounds like some of the last sequences from Warleggan will be covered in the final episode.

 

Elizabeth tells George that she is carrying his child and George continues to mark his territory by erecting fences around Trenwith, denying commoners passage across his property.
Dwight learns of Carolines new engagement and enlists in the navy. Ross decides he must mend the rift between Caroline and Dwight before it is too late.
Ross is called to Trenwith by George, suspicious that the purchase of Geoffrey Charles share in the mine was fraudulent. Pascoe reveals to Ross that George will seek to bankrupt him through court proceedings.
Demelza is assaulted for trespassing on Warleggan land provoking the villagers to march on Trenwith with vengeance in mind - will Ross be able to disband the mob?


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Perhaps if we don't have a fire and Ross enlisting, there will be time for the proper ending of book 4.

Surely, they are not going to emulate the 1970s series and go completely haywire...

Fingers crossed XX



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Although I have really enjoyed this series, and you all know me to be a big fan.  I have to agree that the clip showing Demelza being hostile to Ross yet again did upset me a little, because as you say by this time she has started to calm down and the reconciliation begins.

It's going to be tough to show in one episode the reconciliation between Ross and Demelza, the discovery of Caroline as their benefactor, Ross trip to London, Demelzas run in with Georges Bullies and poor Garrick being shot, Ross visit to Trenwith to see George and the subsequent fight with the Harry Brothers as well as Ross joining up and a full scale riot.

Must admit I am a bit anxious to see how it will all end, but I really cant see Trenwith being burnt down perhaps singed around the edges!!!   

As regards to 21st century sensibilities and the media circus around episode 8, this really is stared to get on my nerves, the story is based in the 18th Century things were different back then attitudes to women were different, people cant expect a period drama with 21st century morals and expectations.

BBC trailers can be very misleading at times, Before I read the books I remember the trailer for the finale episode of season 1 which implied Ross was going to leave Demelza for Elizabeth and it showed them kissing, but this ended up being an hallucination Demelza was having whilst suffering a fever from the putrid throat, so I am going to hope that all will be well, somehow.

Anyway the DVD is on pre order, due to be delivered next Monday, looking forward to using my last day of annual leave and watching the whole series back to back.



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Agreed JanetMaison - how is it all to be resolved?  Ross is meant to journey to London too!  That takes 5 days...and 5 days back...!!

Demelza was bitter in the books, but mostly directed at herself, after the party debacle.  She didn't have the nature to be down for long and she didn't continue being at odds with Ross.  As you say, by the time the tin is discovered she and Ross are talking albeit less than usual, but if I remember correctly, he is going over some books when she thinks he's brooding about  G&Es wedding. Then he tells her about the GOOD news and they are pleased together.  I have always felt that although Demelza doesn't know about the business side of mining, she still worries a great deal about their financial situation and frets she can't do much to help.

There was an opportunity to push George over the cliffs in this episode - how tempting. Perhaps it's better that George finds out in later years that Ross is the better man, and he can never quite achieve acceptance by the nobility. 

 


Yes, Demelza was bitter mostly with herself. I really love the scene when Ross tells Demelza the good news. It's the beginning of the thaw.  It's  like that in episode nine, but then the preview for episode 10 shows Demelza being hostile again. I'm confused. 



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Janet, I was referring to the BBC One preview for Episode 9 of the series, not the scene in the book, which clearly was what you say. Anyway, here's the link: 

https://youtu.be/4XsPfH_I9pE


Did you read the comments after this clip? So much hate being poured on Ross by people who have only ever watched the show.

Many of the comments refer to Ross' treatment of Demelza before May 9th, so I think the producers have very effectively demeaned his real character, while elevating Elizabeth's. I'm disappointed that people see Ross this way, and it is going to take a huge amount of work for the producers to redeem him.


The books are so subtle.  No quick fixes or immediate gratification of hitting someone or screaming.  I am so disappointed in the black/white depictions of Ross/Demelza and, of course, changing totally Elizabeth's character.


 Yes, many of the comments I refer to above congratulate Demelza for punching Ross, insist that she leave him, and many wanted her to get revenge by sleeping with someone else (written before the MacNeil episode). It seems that some modern viewers want things to be black-and-white, and want the characters to act as if they lived in 2016.

The best books/series are written by authors who really understand human nature and know that every action is preceded by days, months, years of other emotions and interactions. I just love Winston Graham and his amazing gift.



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Janet, I was referring to the BBC One preview for Episode 9 of the series, not the scene in the book, which clearly was what you say. Anyway, here's the link: 

https://youtu.be/4XsPfH_I9pE


Did you read the comments after this clip? So much hate being poured on Ross by people who have only ever watched the show.

Many of the comments refer to Ross' treatment of Demelza before May 9th, so I think the producers have very effectively demeaned his real character, while elevating Elizabeth's. I'm disappointed that people see Ross this way, and it is going to take a huge amount of work for the producers to redeem him.


The books are so subtle.  No quick fixes or immediate gratification of hitting someone or screaming.  I am so disappointed in the black/white depictions of Ross/Demelza and, of course, changing totally Elizabeth's character.


 Yes, many of the comments I refer to above congratulate Demelza for punching Ross, insist that she leave him, and many wanted her to get revenge by sleeping with someone else (written before the MacNeil episode). It seems that some modern viewers want things to be black-and-white, and want the characters to act as if they lived in 2016.

The best books/series are written by authors who really understand human nature and know that every action is preceded by days, months, years of other emotions and interactions. I just love Winston Graham and his amazing gift.



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Janet, I was referring to the BBC One preview for Episode 9 of the series, not the scene in the book, which clearly was what you say. Anyway, here's the link: 

https://youtu.be/4XsPfH_I9pE


Did you read the comments after this clip? So much hate being poured on Ross by people who have only ever watched the show.

Many of the comments refer to Ross' treatment of Demelza before May 9th, so I think the producers have very effectively demeaned his real character, while elevating Elizabeth's. I'm disappointed that people see Ross this way, and it is going to take a huge amount of work for the producers to redeem him.


The books are so subtle.  No quick fixes or immediate gratification of hitting someone or screaming.  I am so disappointed in the black/white depictions of Ross/Demelza and, of course, changing totally Elizabeth's character.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7hKuxhbj4A 


This trailer is truly, truly awful. The only fact included is Dwight going into the navy. Everything else is pure fabrication.

And surely they couldn't be intending to take he most ridiculous part of the 1975 series and including it here? Trenwith must never burn down.

 


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7hKuxhbj4A 


This trailer is truly, truly awful. The only fact included is Dwight going into the navy. Everything else is pure fabrication.

And surely they couldn't be intending to take he most ridiculous part of the 1975 series and including it here? Trenwith must never burn down.

 


 Yes, truly alarming.  And Demelza is being petty and belittling AGAIN.  



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7hKuxhbj4A 


This trailer is truly, truly awful. The only fact included is Dwight going into the navy. Everything else is pure fabrication.

And surely they couldn't be intending to take he most ridiculous part of the 1975 series and including it here? Trenwith must never burn down.

 



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Janet, I was referring to the BBC One preview for Episode 9 of the series, not the scene in the book, which clearly was what you say. Anyway, here's the link: 

https://youtu.be/4XsPfH_I9pE


Did you read the comments after this clip? So much hate being poured on Ross by people who have only ever watched the show.

Many of the comments refer to Ross' treatment of Demelza before May 9th, so I think the producers have very effectively demeaned his real character, while elevating Elizabeth's. I'm disappointed that people see Ross this way, and it is going to take a huge amount of work for the producers to redeem him.



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One of the things that I love about WG's writing is how Ross and Demelza treat each other even during the difficult times. Ross is in shock and doesn't know what he's done and he doesn't say very much. Yet he's very careful with Demelza. And Demelza is angry and hurt and unsure of the future but she never belittles Ross.  This allows for a satisfying reconciliation. In the TV version, Ross is telling Demelza to get over herself. And Demelza is constantly belittling Ross, saying hurtful things. Now I know she feels that way and may even think it in the book, but she doesn't say it out loud. again, I think this DH toying with the essential natures of these characters. 

While I am disappointed that she has done this, I would find it hard to believe that she would change the plot so drastically as to have Trenwith burn down. 



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Can't make out what Jud was saying right at the end something about burning to the ground and then something distorted followed by Trenwith ?


Also a shot of Ross and George fighting with flames around them which makes me wonder if Trenwith is going to be burnt down again as in the first series, but this time with Jud as leader....

http://poldark.activeboard.com/t36603838/the-worst-examples-of-the-films-from-the-books/?page=1



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I have just seen a clip from episode 10 and I don't know how anything is going to get resolved.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04dqjqz


 Yes, I agree! And Demelza is still hostile! They better not leave the reconciliation until the next series!



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I have just seen a clip from episode 10 and I don't know how anything is going to get resolved.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04dqjqz



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Just saw a couple of clips from episode 10 and I don't know how anything is going to get resolved.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04dqjqz 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7hKuxhbj4A 



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Agreed JanetMaison - how is it all to be resolved?  Ross is meant to journey to London too!  That takes 5 days...and 5 days back...!!

Demelza was bitter in the books, but mostly directed at herself, after the party debacle.  She didn't have the nature to be down for long and she didn't continue being at odds with Ross.  As you say, by the time the tin is discovered she and Ross are talking albeit less than usual, but if I remember correctly, he is going over some books when she thinks he's brooding about  G&Es wedding. Then he tells her about the GOOD news and they are pleased together.  I have always felt that although Demelza doesn't know about the business side of mining, she still worries a great deal about their financial situation and frets she can't do much to help.

There was an opportunity to push George over the cliffs in this episode - how tempting. Perhaps it's better that George finds out in later years that Ross is the better man, and he can never quite achieve acceptance by the nobility. 

 



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Can't make out what Jud was saying right at the end something about burning to the ground and then something distorted followed by Trenwith ?



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I agree with you Mrs. Gimlett, I didn't like episode 9 very much either. Elizabeth and Aunt Agatha scenes seemed so contrived and totally unrealistic. "To bad about his kitchen wench." Verity showing up, Elizabeth's fainting, the whole county knowing about the postponement and George telling Tankard to debauch Demelza? Where did all of this come from? 


I don't know how this is all going to be tied up in one hour.  Will we see the thawing of the relationship?  Ross: "I believe you still care for me."  Trip to Truro where Ross notices a warmth in Demelza's voice.  And, of course, the scene in the bedroom upon the return from Truro.  George's egging on Tankard does foreshadow Monk Adderly, but totally made up!  



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Why are so many people in the know about Ross and Elizabeth's night?  Surely it's going to be common knowledge throughout North Cornwall in no time at all.  The lengths R&D went to in order to keep it close (in the novels) and here they are as good as shouting it from the spire of Sawle Church.  George will have difficulty in not knowing about it and the whole story will be skewed.


 Perhaps because instead of the Gimletts who were very discrete, we have Jud and Prudie.



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I was quite surprised to see how Sir Hugh Bodrugan had risen in the world last night!  He lives in a very ramshackle, animal infested house in the books. 

It suddenly dawned on me why George is so much to the fore in almost every scene - they are short of actors and he must be present at everything to make up numbers.  I can't say I liked the episode much, but was desperate for Demelza to bite Cap'n  McNeil, but she was much more timid than we read about.

Seeing the bits about next week, I fear the whole story is going very much the same way as the 1970s series.  I do hope I'm wrong.

Why are so many people in the know about Ross and Elizabeth's night?  Surely it's going to be common knowledge throughout North Cornwall in no time at all.  The lengths R&D went to in order to keep it close (in the novels) and here they are as good as shouting it from the spire of Sawle Church.  George will have difficulty in not knowing about it and the whole story will be skewed.


I agree about so many people knowing!!  Demelza did not want anyone to know. I, too, am afraid about episode 10.  Riots? And Ross returning to the army? Also in the clip for #10, Demelza is still belittling Ross.  She never did this in the book and I'm trying to allow for creative license. But certainly by this point in the story, she wasn't angry anymore.  They had reached a detente of a sorts.   Maybe I shouldn't watch previews.



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I agree with you Mrs. Gimlett, I didn't like episode 9 very much either. Elizabeth and Aunt Agatha scenes seemed so contrived and totally unrealistic. "To bad about his kitchen wench." Verity showing up, Elizabeth's fainting, the whole county knowing about the postponement and George telling Tankard to debauch Demelza? Where did all of this come from? 



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I was quite surprised to see how Sir Hugh Bodrugan had risen in the world last night!  He lives in a very ramshackle, animal infested house in the books. 

It suddenly dawned on me why George is so much to the fore in almost every scene - they are short of actors and he must be present at everything to make up numbers.  I can't say I liked the episode much, but was desperate for Demelza to bite Cap'n  McNeil, but she was much more timid than we read about.

Seeing the bits about next week, I fear the whole story is going very much the same way as the 1970s series.  I do hope I'm wrong.

Why are so many people in the know about Ross and Elizabeth's night?  Surely it's going to be common knowledge throughout North Cornwall in no time at all.  The lengths R&D went to in order to keep it close (in the novels) and here they are as good as shouting it from the spire of Sawle Church.  George will have difficulty in not knowing about it and the whole story will be skewed.



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Stella Poldark wrote:
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I think the scene where Ross is talking about the head gear corresponds with the scene when Demelza comes downstairs, they look at each other and he knows she knows.  Then he starts talking about all kinds of inane things - Jeremy's ribbons.  Trying to make talk like like this was just like every other morning. 


 I think this happens as soon as Ross returns and when Demelza is hanging out the washing. She knows already but when he speaks there is no doubt for Demelza. However, you may be right that it takes Ross a little longer to learn that she knows. 


When I say that the scenes are comparable, I mean only what Ross is talking about: in the book, it's Jeremy's ribbons; on TV, it's the headgear.  He's just had sex with Elizabeth.  Who cares about ribbons or headgear!  I think the scenes are comparable in that he is trying to make talk - like it was any other day.  He's still in shock over what he's done.



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JanetMaison wrote:

I think the scene where Ross is talking about the head gear corresponds with the scene when Demelza comes downstairs, they look at each other and he knows she knows.  Then he starts talking about all kinds of inane things - Jeremy's ribbons.  Trying to make talk like like this was just like every other morning. 


 I think this happens as soon as Ross returns and when Demelza is hanging out the washing. She knows already but when he speaks there is no doubt for Demelza. However, you may be right that it takes Ross a little longer to learn that she knows. 



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Janet, I was referring to the BBC One preview for Episode 9 of the series, not the scene in the book, which clearly was what you say. Anyway, here's the link: 

https://youtu.be/4XsPfH_I9pE



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I think the scene where Ross is talking about the head gear corresponds with the scene when Demelza comes downstairs, they look at each other and he knows she knows.  Then he starts talking about all kinds of inane things - Jeremy's ribbons.  Trying to make talk like like this was just like every other morning. 



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One more question, when Demelza says, "Forfeit," after Ross says he realizes that he has betrayed her trust, what does that mean? I know what forfeit means, but I know I don't understand this usage. The American response to what he said would something like "Get out!," "Drop dead!" or "Go to hell!"



-- Edited by Dark Mare on Sunday 30th of October 2016 10:28:57 AM


 'Forfeit' means to lose the right to something as a penalty so it's more than just losing Demelza's trust. Ross has lost the right to her trust and there is a suggestion of punishment I think.


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One more question, when Demelza says, "Forfeit," after Ross says he realizes that he has betrayed her trust, what does that mean? I know what forfeit means, but I know I don't understand this usage. The American response to what he said would something like "Get out!," "Drop dead!" or "Go to hell!"



-- Edited by Dark Mare on Sunday 30th of October 2016 10:28:57 AM


 'Forfeit' means to lose the right to something as a penalty so it's more than just losing Demelza's trust. Ross has lost the right to her trust and there is a suggestion of punishment I think.



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I just saw the preview for Episode 9, and I am more bummed than ever that PBS is so far behind BBC in airing Series 2. 

The scene chosen for the preview is so good. Demelza is perfect, so cool and even cheery; poor Ross is so out of his depth. Can someone explain why he would think Demelza would want to be disturbed just to hear that he is selling the headgear to Wheal Radiant? Or was that just the very best topic of conversation he could come up with to test the waters? So pathetic. Though I suppose I have to give him a point or two for courage. Demelza is having her morning tea in bed so she is armed with crockery and silverware, and she has already demonstrated she has first-rate hand-eye coordination.

Speaking of eyes, Ross' shiner is just dark enough to be impossible to miss. He's going to draw questions from every person he meets. Who/what will he blame that black eye on, Garrick, his horse or maybe the library door? 

One more question, when Demelza says, "Forfeit," after Ross says he realizes that he has betrayed her trust, what does that mean? I know what forfeit means, but I know I don't understand this usage. The American response to what he said would be something like "Get out!," "Drop dead!" or "Go to hell!"



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