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Wow--Aidan IS Ross Poldark sprung straight from the pages of the novels. Here in the U.S. we had a 2-hour S2 premier that ended with Ross' triumphant acquittal and return to Nampara. But I was left wishing at least one thing; with all her revisionist (no Gimletts-a sacrilege!) storytelling, Debbie should have added a scene or two showing, or at least suggesting, that people might occasionally take a bath in a tin tub or something. After his awful night in smelly Bodmin goal, fastidious Ross must have been feeling pretty grimy, and itchy with crawlers. Debbie should have had him at least swill off under the pump, or take a dip in Nampara Cove. Nevertheless, I was happy to see that even if he didn't bathe in it, Ross still walked on water and valiantly swatted Warleggan dragons with one hand while writing to his wife with the other.  Aidan hasn't missed a beat! Can't wait for the next episode.

 

 

 

 

 



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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

Oh dear.  More alterations to the story.  I have actually seen the trial from the 70s series (it used to be on youtube), which, although it doesn't follow the book closely,  was a good representation of a nineteenth century quarter session trial.

It makes you wonder how Ross is going to get reprieved.  Dwight doesn't seem to have any idea of what he is going to say and there are no Gimletts to give evidence - I despair!!

Incidentally, why make Dwight an old friend from the American War?   This is going to skew things for series 3 - who would sign up for the Navy, having been on a battlefield as a soldier? It would more than likely turn him away from being involved in further conflict.  Why couldn't he have just been a Cornishman returning to his county to practise medicine?


Mrs. Gimlett,

I found your question about Dwight's military service interesting because this actually has been happening in America's current conflicts. I remember having the same question the first time I heard some military man being introduced as both a Marine veteran and an active-duty member of the Army. Afterward, I asked my brother, a retired U.S. Navy commander, about it, and he said it isn't commonplace, but it happens. I suspect military doctors with combat experience have always been able to write their own tickets. 

As for Dwight, he isn't the only character in the current "Poldark" whom Ross is said to have met on the battlefields of Virginia.  Malcolm McNeil also supposedly fought there. Though the books also say that he was there, they do not suggest Ross and McNeil ever crossed paths there.



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This episode has just aired in Australia. Having a very intimate knowledge of the books, I was quite happy to read all your comments before seeing it - obviously spoilers are not an issue.

I was a bit apprehensive having read some of the negatives, but I have to say that I loved it. There were changes, yes, but the overall impression was still wonderful. I particularly enjoyed the interlude when Ross returned on bail, until he left for Bodmin. There were some lovely tender moments there, and Demelza pulling away from him at the final parting was heart-rending. Because they spent a bit of time showing this, I was able to forget that they had condensed the time right down.

As everyone has mentioned, the whole episode was underpinned by every scene involving Francis. Finally, we get to see Francis as he was written in the book, and it seems most of those scenes lifted the dialogue directly from the book.

It goes without saying that of course there was too much of Elizabeth sticking her nose in where it didn't belong, as well as George running all over the place doing things that are totallly out of character. I suppose I am getting used to that now. And the movement of people between geographically-dispersed places was once again incomprehensible. Why is Demelza walking everywhere, such as to Killewarren, she had her own horse at this point? And the horse will be a major item that will be sold to raise funds later.

Loved having John Nettles in the show, although it will take some time to not view him as Barnaby playing dress ups. I am reserving judgement on the choice of actress for Caroline. It is a challenging role because she has to be spoilt and imperious, but likeable enough that we all come to love her later. Interesting that they made her blonde, but I assume that is because they had already mucked up Demelza and Elizabeth's hair colours. I'm looking forward to seeing how she develops, but I felt the chemistry between her and Dwight, so that's a good start.

Dark Mare, I was interested by your view of that scene. It is close to my favourite scene in all the books. Ross's response about searching the earth for a secret grievance shows that he did actually understand women quite well, in my opinion!



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Oh God, is Tom Carne on Warleggans' witness payroll too? 

BTW, I found an interesting article on 18th century British justice on the Internet. It explained that criminal prosecutions were privately funded by the victim then. And it was legal to compensate witnesses (for travel expenses, etc. -- but not bar tabs, I suspect.) so George may not have been as grievously out of line as he seemed in "Jeremy Poldark." If you are interested in reading it, here is the link: http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/England_18thc./England_18thc.html

 

 



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In the first season Debbie Horsfield cut Ben Ross Carter out of the story. Why is beyond me, but having cut him out already, she couldn't then have George charge Ross for fathering other men's children. Therefore, in order to defame Ross' character as a seducer, she had to bring Tom Carne back to rehash old grievances.



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There appear to be more changes in this second series than in the first. Perhaps we should put together a list of changes that we could then enquire about. I am happy to co-ordinate this if anyone can point me in the direction of an address for Debbie Horsfield. She tends to be evasive when asked about the reason for a particular change, giving only generalisations about the difficulties of making such a production. When it comes to the elimination of characters it is always the strict budget that she gives as a reason but the Gimletts, to me, are indispensable. If she has decided to completely leave them out I think we might register a protest. What do people think? She may have a hard time explaining Tom Carne's outburst in the court. Perhaps it is all about creating as much tension as possible to get the audience figures.



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Oh dear.  More alterations to the story.  I have actually seen the trial from the 70s series (it used to be on youtube), which, although it doesn't follow the book closely,  was a good representation of a nineteenth century quarter session trial.

It makes you wonder how Ross is going to get reprieved.  Dwight doesn't seem to have any idea of what he is going to say and there are no Gimletts to give evidence - I despair!!

Incidentally, why make Dwight an old friend from the American War?   This is going to skew things for series 3 - who would sign up for the Navy, having been on a battlefield as a soldier? It would more than likely turn him away from being involved in further conflict.  Why couldn't he have just been a Cornishman returning to his county to practise medicine?



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Poor Demelza. Sir Hugh AND now her father to embarrass her.



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I have just watched a trailer from episode 2 which shows DH's purpose in putting Tom Carne in Bodmin. He comes into the court yelling accusations at Ross of taking his daughter and debauching her. I wonder why he has done that and where it will lead. Perhaps we shall find out in the next episode



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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

Secondly, what on earth is Tom Carne (Demelza's father) doing in Bodmin?  Men like him hardly ever strayed more than a few miles from home.  Bodmin is at least 30 miles from Illugan.  He would have been fathoms deep in some mine or other trying to make a meagre living.  What did that scene add?

Why do these anomalies have to be included?  It doesn't make the plot any better.  I know things have to be adapted to a certain extent, but adding in unlikely bits does not endear me to the series so much as being more faithful to the original story. 


 

 I too found Tom Carne being in Bodmin very strange, just seeing him there struck me as really out of place and odd. I am trying to fathom what the purpose of that scene was. It may become clear in the next episode., but why put this scene in and leave the cow out? 

 Although, there were scenes that I was glad that they add like the one of Francis asking if he could spend some time with Elizabeth and she rebuffing him and  the scene where Ross asked if they thought he would stoop so low as asking for help from that "upstart poodle", referring to George.



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Mrs Gimlett wrote:

Well - I can scarcely believe two days have gone by without a posting about Series 2! I had already read that the BBC wanted to 'feisty up' (horrible phrase) Demelza and wondered how this would be achieved.   

 


 I will be so happy if this plan to "feisty up" Demelza fixes this scene from "Jeremy Poldark":

"... Ever since September youve been withdrawn from me, poking up your head now and then like a sheep from behind a fence. I couldnt reach you. Is this child the cause of all of it?"
 
"If I have, then it may be."
 
"Because you thought I didnt want it?"
 
" 'Tis only what you said."
 
He said in exasperation, "Goddamn it, you should know Im not used to dealing with women! You search the earth to find some special secret feminine grievance to gnaw over for months on end and then produce it coolly on the mat to explain all the irrational hedging and dodging of an entire winter."
 
"I didn't search the earth for it!"
 
When I read this, I was so disgusted with both of them that I wrote this note (God I love Kindle!):   
 
If only Demelza would stand up for herself. How easily she could have put Ross in his place by adding: 
 
"And you don't have to be used to dealing with women. Just one woman, me, your wife. Could you kindly tell me just how much longer you expect it to take for you to become used to dealing with me? We have lived under the same roof for seven years and shared a bedroom and bed for nearly four. How much longer, Ross? A year? Five years? Ten? Twenty-five? 
 
"Here are some hints to get you started: I don't relish being likened to a vomiting cat, and I consider this baby I'm carrying to be a blessing, not a grievance. So think carefully about what you want to say next. Very carefully."
 



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Neither were George's intentions so clear in the books.  Indeed, even after the mine disaster (don't want to spoil it for anyone) he hardly dared to hope about his interest. It all stemmed from his feeling of inferiority, and his fear of putting a foot wrong in elevated society.

I think as a cliff-hanger ending, it will draw people back for next week. If you are not going to have an actual cliff that is the next best thing! Poor Francis.

Only 5 million viewers or so last Sunday, but I wonder how many taped it?  There is a drama about Queen Victoria on a rival channel here, which goes out at the same time, and began a week earlier.  it's fairly obvious that many will be watching Poldark on catch-up.

I don't know, living in such a class obsessed age must have been a nightmare.  At least the Gimletts knew their place.

 

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I wonder if all the focus on George is intended to make clear exactly how he feels towards Ross and how powerful he has become. The scenes also amplify Ross's determination never to become indebted to George. This episode also makes clear George's feelings towards Elizabeth which were not as clear in the first series. 

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I imagine that the ending of part one of this series was very much in DH's mind. She would want an ending that will bring people back to watch the next episode. Could that be why it is so rushed I wonder. Re-reading the book I am reminded that the ending of this episode comes quite a way in and after Demelza has spoken to the judge. I have heard rumours that she will be speaking to the judge. Like you, Mrs G, I am enjoying and there are many new locations in this series to enjoy and for me to get to know.

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I agree it is all quite rushed.  Having watched the episode again, I'm struck by two more things.

What is George doing actually visiting Ross in Bodmin Gaol?  He would never have risked going to a pestilential place like a prison - neither would he have been admitted at that time of night. And he certainly wouldn't have sat down!  He avoided Ross where possible. I just don't like the contriving at Trenwith that went on either.  George, having spent his guineas to get Ross convicted just would not offer help of any kind.

Secondly, what on earth is Tom Carne (Demelza's father) doing in Bodmin?  Men like him hardly ever strayed more than a few miles from home.  Bodmin is at least 30 miles from Illugan.  He would have been fathoms deep in some mine or other trying to make a meagre living.  What did that scene add?

Why do these anomalies have to be included?  It doesn't make the plot any better.  I know things have to be adapted to a certain extent, but adding in unlikely bits does not endear me to the series so much as being more faithful to the original story.

Another thing - the roses.  I can imagine Demelza mourning  Julia, but her flowers would have come from a hedgerow, not be modern tea roses probably from South America!!

Good job I'm not a pro critic - series 3 would be cancelled.  no



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I too am not trying to be critical, but with the trial being only five days after Ross goes in front of the magistrates and that directly after he was arrested on the cliff, when does Demelza get pregnant? Was it before she gets the putrid throat? Would a pregnancy at that early stage, survive an illness as severe as that? Did she get pregnant on their passionate night before the trial? It is just too rushed, a passage of time is required to make certain events logical.

 



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Although I am not keen on the screen Jud and Prudie, it would be a pity to drop them.  After all they are a recurrent theme through all the books, and have some bearing on Book 12 events- if they ever make the series to the end. Perhaps only Jud will be written out and Prudie will return to Nampara.  Can't say I'd like her in my kitchen... That scenario wouldn't really work though.

As you say, Stella, Ross was almost flippant about his trial and certainly it's pushing it a bit to be tried only 5 days after being up before the beak.  Even in those days they would have needed time to prepare some defence; indeed George could never have accomplished his nefarious doings with such a short time scale.

I haven't taken to Elizabeth at all.  She has a completely different character from the books. She comes across as aloof and chilly from WG, whereas she is very much a flesh and blood person on TV (Odd phrase but I hope you get my meaning).  Actually, I suppose she is much more someone who Ross would be attracted to.  However, he must try to be more 'grim' which is a word much used by WG in relation to Ross. 

Maybe, though, for those who just watch TV and do not know the books it is necessary to be 'lighter' in detail and storylines.   We are lucky to have all that real knowledge which only the books can bring.

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I too had started to wonder when someone would post about series 2 but I don't know how to start a new topicconfuse I agree that too much is being left out. If all the added stuff with George and Elizabeth were not in it there would have been time for Demelza's veterinary visits. In Jeremy Poldark I recall that when Ross visited Pascoe he raised the question of a will to provide for Demelza yet in the episode Pascoe seemed to be lecturing Ross saying that Demelza deserved better. I agree the focus on Francis was brilliant and I think improves on the book but I was left with a feeling that Ross was being portrayed rather negatively especially when compared with Francis and Demelza. I almost didn't like Ross in this episode. I shall watch it again and re-read the book as it goes along but I fear this series will stray too far from the books. It is a big mistake to leave out the Gimletts but perhaps they will appear in time and I have heard that Judd is being written out of series 3. DH is always emphasising the need to keep within budget which must be very frustrating for her and definitely for us.

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I am not sure why they had Ross' trial so soon after Julia's death and Demelza's recovery from the putrid throat, it made the entire episode seem rushed. I understood the literal cliffhanger of last season, but legal proceedings take time and they could have had the trial  further down the road rather than just five days later. I sincerely hope that this season will not be as fast paced as last season, they have more episodes after all and it would be nice if they would slow the pace down.

I agree with you Mrs. Gimlett,  Francis did shine in this first episode and Kyle Soller did an excellent job portraying Francis' guilt and despair. My opinion on Caroline is reserved at this time, I am trying to remember that her character is very young at this time in the story and maybe not as confident as she becomes later on.  I still don't like how they are portraying Elizabeth, with her letter to Demelza and her attempts to intercede with George on Ross' behalf, it just doesn't ring true the book Elizabeth. I too missed Demelza's foray into animal medicine. I am getting the feeling that they are cutting out Hugh Bodrugan character as well as the Gimletts, which is such a shame. 

 



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Well - I can scarcely believe two days have gone by without a posting about Series 2! I had already read that the BBC wanted to 'feisty up' (horrible phrase) Demelza and wondered how this would be achieved.   

In Jeremy Poldark is she not developing into a resourceful, personable young woman, who is not always tied to the sink and baking pies?  What about her attempts to help Ross before the trial; her forays into animal medicine?   She is acutely aware of Ross' fragile balance during most of the book and so conceals from him that which she most wants to share. In the books she is constantly worrying about Ross and doing what she can to help.  Of course she does have John and Jane Gimlett to help run the house and farm, both of whom would be a brilliant addition in the TV series!!

On Sunday, we were treated to a real mish mash of scenes, some good, many coming straight from Debbie Horsfield rather than the books.  I do hope she is not going to mess about too much with the actual story - shades of 1970s. 

This may sound nit-picky but I would have liked to see a more haughty Caroline.  She somehow wasn't imperious enough to my mind.  I thought Francis shone out on Sunday night.

If one compares the film with the book, Ross is much more approachable and sunny natured than WG portrayed. 

What do you all think?

 



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