Grace - episode four is my favorite of the new series as well because it seems to me to be an episode devoted to the development of Ross and Demelza's love story. There are just little 1-2 minute vinettes sprinkled throughout the hour. Like the " I do sometimes forget . . . " when he comes back from town. He asks . . ."that I live here?" and she returns, "No, that I'm your wife!"
I'm pretty certain that's NOT from the book, but the screenwriters added it to develop the love story and FULLY and hook folks like me! And it did!
In re-watching the '70s series again I do know the producers put ALOT of their own additions into the first few episodes that were not in the books. In the '70's production Elizabeth was on the verge of leaving Francis for Ross literally the day before the seduction scene. As I think about it now, what happened next made no sense, because they made it appear that Elizabeth leaving her husband was going to happen at any moment yet they allowed for a period of weeks (or months) to go by while Demelza's pregnancy developed so as to force his decision to marry her when he realizes she's carrying his child. Decidedly LESS romantic than the books or the 2015 series!
That's why I asked on the Demelza post in this thread if people watching this new series are going to FREAK OUT over Ross's upcoming horrific impulsive act, because these producers have really produced QUITE a love story between these two. Like a "make you mushy in the knees" love story. (Yes, I swear, I'm a guy!)
These producers even have Ross asking Elizabeth to pray that he doesn't "Lose the love of my life" referring to Demelza fighting for her life on her sick-bed.
How do you make statements like that and then commit this impulsive act later? I guess asking for reasoning from TV producers is a little silly. I know they can't "adapt" that act out of the new series because it produces story lines that go deep into the remaining books, but I have to admit, given the love story this series has shown me so far, I'm praying that they do. I know that's bad to say for folks on this board because we're supposed to be true to the books above all else . . .but, I'm being honest.
I'm also praying they write out the whole Hugh Armitage thing later as well because that doesn't seem to have deep roots but the remaining books after that I haven't read.
GREAT WRITING TO YOU! Wheal Greggy
Now that I have seen the whole season, I have began to like it better. I really find that I like they kept closer to the books, like the blue dress, Elizabeth visiting the very next day and Demelza offering her the flowers and Elizabeth realize she too late. My favorite episode is episode four, when Demelza impresses everyone at the Christmas party. Loved hearing her sing, what a beautiful voice the actress has. It was a nice touch to see Elizabeth playing the Harp and Demelza learning to play the piano (?) I admit at first I wanted to see a child play the young Demelza but maybe it best that she starts as a teenage girl of maybe 15 or 16. I have began to like Elizabeth more, but I am not sure if she is true to the character, she seems almost just to nice to Demelza I could never see Elizabeth coming over to nurse Demelza when she was sick. The very last episode was heart wrenching with the death of little Julia, and Ross carrying her casket to the church, oh I wanted to cry. So the series left us with a cliff hanger with Ross being arrested and Demelza left alone and George after ruining everyone lives declares his love for Elizabeth and she seems to accept.
FYI I saw a article saying that Aidan Turner has sign on for the next five years, so it seems that they are going to do the whole series. I am looking forward to the next season, I think they will do just fine as long at they stick close to the books. I must mention I love seeing Robin Ellis in the new series, I hope we see more of him in the next season. The 1975 version will always have a special place in my heart, it how I got introduce to the books.
Having been re-hooked on the new series (orginally hooked in the '70's with RE and AR - and I also read all the books that comprised the two series in the '70s. ) I purchased the new series DVDs WITH the original and have been binge watching. So to put this into perspective, first time viewer as a 14-15 year old, current viewer as a 52 year old and still just as enthralled as the first time.
I have to say with the production values, I like the new series better, though I'm sure the '70's crowd did the best they could with what they had! (We ALL did in the '70's)
From what I remember the new series seems to be "truer" to the books, though I have to (starting the process) of re-reading the books to be certain.
As a guy, I'm most attached to the Demelza character and was thrilled with AR's portrayal, but I really do love Eleanor Tomlinson's portrayal as well. In fact she seems to be playing more to what I imagined WG wrote.
But both actresses and both series have strong and weak points related to Demelza. Angharad was small and had HUGE eyes. She was really believable as an street -urchin boy. Eleanor is tall (I think Yahoo gives her height as 5'7") so she's much less believable as a 13 year old. Even though Tomlinson is closer in age (22, I believe at the time of filming) to Demelza's age in the books at this part of the series - age 13 through 19-20 ish) and Rees would have been about 31 in 1975!
But the producers in the '70's series decided (my opinion now with the new series digested and my memory of the books and a re-viewing of the '70's series on DVD) to make Demelza more "street-ish" through and through. She is stealing when Ross saves her (not trying to save her dog from an impromptu dog-fight) She so much wants to go with him as he prepares to drop her off that she fakes injury and when he goes to check her "injury" out, she offers to take off some clothes "for a schilling". I had read somewhere that WG was so upset with this re-imaging that he wanted the production stopped. I can understand why.
The scene with the biggest impact on my teenage boy life was the Demelza seduction scene (and to be honest . . on my 52 year old life as well!) and now, in comparing both TV versions to the book (I have recently re-read those chapters specifically) I see both versions have elements true to the novel but the 2015 version is MUCH closer (can't reach the hooks!) and the whole seduction idea comes to Demelza after the visit from her "born-again" father. (That's NOT in the '70's version).
So, for you "oldies" . . .like me . . please don't find me blasphemous, but I think I like the new version better. Re-watching the '70's version, I still see the charm and why I got hooked in the first place, but I really enjoyed this latest production.
we are through episode 4 here in the u.s. enjoying the new version immensely. aidan is great as ross and i'm warming up to eleanor as demelza (i was serious in love with angharad as demelza). one thing i haven't liked however is the pacing. seems a bit rushed and some character development seems incomplete. well the dvd collection i ordered from pbs arrived today and though i haven't had a chance to watch yet, did pop in the first dvd just to check it out. what i did notice is that episode one is a good 9-10 minutes longer than the pbs broadcast version so perhaps that's where this "rushed" feeling is coming from. the box does say "uncut bbc version". not really sure what (and why) pbs is cutting, but if it's 9-10 minutes per episode, it has to affect plot & character development. i would say us folks here in the states are getting seriously short changed and i'll skip the remaining broadcasts and watch the rest on dvd.
It will be a real treat, New yawker, to reread the books. Every time I do, I am blown away by how good the prose and the story are.
There's been some comment here about the choice to have Cary Warleggan as a character, rather than Nicholas. I was wondering whether that decision was related to the three characters as portrayed in the books. Cary is definitely the seedier character, who will do anything to advance his own interests, whereas Nicholas was much more 'honourable', he wanted to make money but was more conscious of the family's reputation and giving the illusion of honesty. George falls somewhere in the middle, and his father did not like the influence that Cary had on him. In the 2015 series, I wonder if they chose to show Cary rather than Nicholas to remove any ambiguity about their scruples. It seems to me that they want to say "here are the villians - hate them". It is a pity, because there is so much more complexity to George, especially when you realise how huge his inferiority complex is, and how every decision he makes is coloured by his desire to be accepted by the landed gentry. He could never forget he was the grandson of a blacksmith.
Regarding the difference in Ross and Demelza's relationship, rereading the books will be quite an eye-opener. The biggest reason I have not yet been able to progress in watching the 1975 version is the way they butchered the romance. Thankfully the new version corrects that. The fight between Ross and Demelza's father is true to the book (although some others have pointed out that the fight itself was not necessarily accurate) and there was never any pay-off, although Ross pays Demelza a wage. As I remember, the fact that Ross chose to fight was more a result of the mood he was in with some things going wrong, than actually fighting for Demelza. There was also the undercurrent of the men having come from Illugan, and therefore interfering in 'local' business.
Demelza's age was deliberately avoided in the 2015 series, and personally I prefer the way they did that. While Angharad Rees was an excellent urchin (and actress!) I did not like the fact that she never really grew up. Her petite frame did not match the book Demelza. In this series, they imply that Demelza is older (maybe 15-16) when she comes to Nampara and that the time between her arrival and the marriage is more like a year or so. Of course, in the books she is about 13yo on arrival, and about 17yo when married. I like Eleanor's portrayal of the adult Demelza better, and am therefore happy to accept the obscurity about her age earlier.
Hello Everyone, It's been a long time since I have visited this website. Anyway I just had to say my two cents, I just watched the first episode this passed Sunday in the U.S. I have mixed feeling about it, some parts I liked and some I didn't. I love the actors playing Ross and Demelza I think they are perfect for the role. But I do wish they had used a teenage girl from the beginning, I love the dog he was perfect too! The Location is so very beautiful and I love the houses they used goes so well with the books. However I am so disappointed with what they did to Francis, Elizabeth and Jud. They made Francis look to much like a wimp, in the book I thought that he was equal to Ross in looks and very sophisticated, he was a true gentleman, just insecure. So one could understand why Elizabeth would choose Francis over Ross, not just for the money and house and position but we know that she wanted all those thing too. With Elizabeth, as some have mentioned she is too warm, It hard to imagine her running over the cliffs, but I admit I can understand why Ross would fall in love with a girl like that. I have to say its nice that they gave us a little back story of the Ross and Elizabeth romance, one understand his deep attachment to her even if it does not ring true to the Elizabeth we know. I always saw her as the Icy Blonde, that another thing why is her hair brown? again it makes her too warm. I found myself really missing the old Jud, this Jud does not provide any humor at all, Jud always made me laugh. There are a few things that I still things I don't like, Ross wild hair, the village people calling him by is first name. Over all I am ready for round two. I enjoy all of your comments.
after watching episode one here in the u.s. decided to watch episode one of the original production (of course i'm now hooked and am into episode 7). one of the most obvious differences regards the senior warleggan character. nicholas actually had a reasonably prominent role in episode one of the original production while in the new production he's been replaced by an uncle, cary. probably over 30 yrs since i read the books (a situation i intend to rectify), is this an example of liberties taken by the new screenwriting team or is it truer to the books. another big difference in the new version is the full scale battle that erupts between ross and the carne family over demelza while in the original production ross simply buys off the father with a couple shilling. also angharad definitely came off more as child when ross first meets her while eleanor does come off as fully grown. all-in-all enjoying the new version no matter the differences and looking forward to episode two sunday night.
That's rather disappointing to hear Namps . I hope it does not cause too many problems to our existing American members.
I have it on good authority, from contacts in the USA who saw the UK version which I sent them links to, that there have been cuts made to the series in the PBS version. I will try to ascertain where they were made, but it seems that it may have been done to fit in with programmed time slots.
Tide was nearly full. Mist lay in a grey scarf along the line of the cliffs. .. and they walked home hand in hand through the slanting shadows of the new darkness.
Great to hear your comments, New Yawker. The series finished about 3 weeks ago in Australia, so it is interesting to go back to the thoughts of someone seeing the first episode. Personally, I am much more attached to the books, and haven't actually seen the first series in total yet, so for me, Aiden and Eleanor are the absolute Ross and Demelza.
I found, and it seems from other comments that others did too, that the first and second episodes are not quite as good as it later becomes. I thought the first two episodes moved the story too fast, but in hindsight I can now see that they were trying to set the scene without becoming bogged down. I didn't like Elizabeth at the start, but she gets better too.
Enjoy the next seven weeks, there's a lot to love coming your way.
one more thing, wondering whether the u.k. version is the same as the u.s. version or whether any editing has been done to make it fit the u.s. time slot. with all the funding credits, promos etc, the real program run time is about 54 minutes. the u.k. dvd set they're selling advertises 8 shows with a run time of 480 min - 60 min/show.
episode one premiered in the u.s. last night on pbs' masterpiece theater. some quick thoughts. thoroughly enjoyed the fresh perspective. i last read the books probably late 70's-early 80's, so my memory of them is a bit foggy. need to do a re-read. have the original series on both vhs & dvd so i watched many, many times over the years. at this point, don't think this can touch the original. aidan turner does makes a very credible ross and i like characterization. however as mentioned, many of the other characters fall short particularly elizabeth & the paynters. while some folks didn't care for jill townsend, i thought she was perfect. after the first episode eleanor tomlinson doesn't feel quite right as demelza but it's still early. would prefer to hear ross called sir, capt'n or capt'n poldark. a bit confused by the "early" introduction of george warleggan and the fact that nicholas is dead and the plot did seem to speed along. but all in all, i'm looking forward to the series. is it next week yet ...
It is so tantalising that you have all now finished the series. I appreciate your efforts to not give too much away, but of course it is clear what you are referring to. I'm a bit concerned about your reference to a cliff-hanger, Mrs Gimlett, wondering exactly where they will leave it. No, don't tell me!
We have had three episodes here, and I am thrilled with the way it has improved since the first. Of course, the little irritants are still there, such as Jud and Demelza calling the spinet a harpsichord, but overall I have fallen in love with the show. And so in love with Aiden and Eleanor, they are perfect. Elizabeth has much improved, now that they have stopped running her all over the countryside.
The pace of the narrative is a bit dizzying. Verity and Andrew's story began and ended (for the time being) within half an hour which was weird.
One negative for me, is that too many characters who are complex, are being portrayed in a negative way. Obviously we have all mentioned Jud and Prudie losing all their humour, but I'm also finding Francis to be quite dour and unlikeable when he should be charismatic and laconic. I feel they are overplaying his jealousy with all the smouldering looks. Uncle Charles is sometimes quite nasty, when he should be jovial as well.
One new character from this episode was Captain Henshawe and so lovely to see him portrayed accurately.
I've just read online that Garrick is played by Eleanor's own dog, no wonder that they have such chemistry.
I'm very keen to go back for another re-read of the books, but will wait until well after the series, so that I can keep each format true to itself.
Lol I wondered that too reminding me of the old game we played if everyone could have modern technology at their disposal, Jud with a dog tracking collar for one.
All powerful and highly emotive stuff to round things off combined with a fine and polished effort by all the cast and crew with Eleanor coming very close indeed to the books and for me really bringing Demelza to life.
Initial thoughts looking back. I did find myself occasionally thinking of some of the original actors especially preferring Ralph Bates' menacing and physically intimidating George being a blacksmith's son as compared to Jack Farthings' which unfortunately seemed to depend on being more spiteful than anything else. Robin Ellis was really excellent in his portrayal too somehow managing to retain his strong Ross aura of rebelliousness even as a stern judge which was truly magical in the way they all combined ! I have to agree with the member too who said that Jill Townsend's fragile Elizabeth in the first series was excellent as she always retained her other world unattainability, whereas Heida's was more down to earth and not as in the books though I definitely felt given the chance she could have easily been just as unattainable as well.
For a while I found I had three versions of everything in my head after each episode which was very confusing, the book and the two film series but as always the books soon surfaced a day or two after in much the same way they did with the Seventies' series as well, which just goes to show how much WG's writing has thankfully become so deeply ingrained it will never go.
I am starting to wonder though how all the new fans who will now start to read the books for the first time, and who will be bound to finish all 12 before the new episodes air next year, will react to the first two books' completely different characters and events. Particularly a wonderful and hilarious Jud who is and has always been my favourite character and for me WG's finest and funniest creation of all....
"I tell 'ee Jesus was a St. Austell's man....!
"Perfection is a full stop .... Ever the climbing but never the attaining Of the mountain top." W.G.
i liked the way (ha!) the soldiers suddenly turned up on the cliffs. Their sat nav must be particularly good.......
It was interesting that Ross asked Elizabeth to pray for the 'love of his life'. Elizabeth is certainly a nicer character than in the old series, really friendly and genuine. There was even a nice moment between her and Francis.
Way too long until next year.
Yesterday's final episode was certainly moving, lurching from one tragedy to another. As you say, we knew what was going to happen, but what on earth was Elizabeth doing at Nampara? That didn't seem right at all. Apart from the fact that the Trenwith Poldarks would have still been recovering, if John and Jane Gimlett had been called for duty, the best possible care would have been provided for those at Nampara!!
It did seem strange that Demelza was suddenly well enough to go on the cliffs in those howling winds (how well I know them) with Ross. Of course it made a dramatic and scenic ending, but I love the last few pages of the book, when Ross carries her upstairs and they look together at the wrecks and the tattered silks decorating the gorse bushes.
I do wonder how it was that the Warleggans got to hear about the wreck so soon. I can see the desire to tie up a few ends just in case there was no series two, but I imagine all along they have been planning for a second series.
The eight episodes have been a triumph for any number of reasons. Let's hope the same attention to detail and sticking to the stories continues. It will be interesting when they get to books 7 and 8 (if they do) because in the middle of it suddenly everyone will be 10 years older... Maybe the third series will incorporate 3 books.
Despite everything though, I still prefer the books.
Even when you know what is coming, it still hits hard. Unlike the 1970, we have a year to wait.
Too bad Netflix in the US pulled the old version from their servers. At least I do have the books ...
I think the book suppliers had better get prepared for huge sales of Jeremy Poldark next week. For those of us who know (and love) the books, there will be no surprise on Sunday. That won't stop the shock all over again, but for newcomers to the story the ending might be quite unexpected and they will certainly want to know what happens next.
In this respect, the first (70s) series was perhaps better, as they did the first four books in one long series. This cliff-hanger is going to last months! I'm guessing that the ending will be much talked of during the following days.
So pleased you have bitten the bullet and starting posting your thoughts. Welcome.
I have to say I do agree with you about Elizabeth. She makes far more appearances than in the books; and it appears that Trenwith and Nampara are within a stone's throw, rather than four miles apart.
There's no denying she is beautiful and one cannot fault her acting. After all, she is only saying what has been written for her. However, I have not yet seen any lingering looks or glances from Ross that connect them in any way apart from the first episode when she was so surprised at his appearing during the engagement dinner.
I am enjoying the series, but one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb is that everyone calls Ross Ross. It wasn't done in the books and it wouldn't have been done in Georgian England (or Cornwall)! There was a degree of distinction between him and the locals, even though he was friendly with them. He was always Sir or Captain Ross. My daughter tells me it's because they are trying to make it appeal to today's viewers. (In other words, I am old fashioned!) I see her point, but even so ...
The other thing which is actually improving slightly is that the concentration on Ross and Demelza has meant that some of the other main characters haven't developed. Francis, for instance doesn't really have any redeeming features. He is portrayed as a spoilt sulking failure. In the books though, he is good company, sardonic and charming when he wants to be. I have also wondered about the reasoning behind making George parentless. The very presence of Nicholas in the books does, to some extent, curb his excesses and at the same time emphasises his unscrupulousness. He seems on screen to live an idle existence, rather than diligently amassing a fortune in the bank.
As Fijane says, these are small gripes really in the scheme of things and of course an enormous amount has to be excluded. Perhaps that is the trouble; we know the books too well and are disappointed when some of our favourite scenes do not take place.
I am hoping that John and Jane Gimlett make an appearance tonight - 'tis time for some order in Nampara kitchen! Jud and Prudie have not been given much prominence except to grunt a bit - shame as there is some excellent material there, but it would detract from the love theme which is much to the fore in this series.
Apologies for going back to the start for UK viewers, but after one episode, I have been putting my thoughts together.
I think, overall, I like it and will definitely keep watching. Some of the things I like or love: Obviously, Ross and Demelza are beautifully cast, and Aiden's acting is brilliant especially when he is showing Ross' happy or mischievous side (all the promos emphasized the brooding look, but he has a beautiful smile): I'm happy with most of the rest of the cast (exemption below): the houses they have chosen are perfect: I like Ruby Bentall, although as others have said there is room for her to become warmer: storyline is generally following the book, at least better than the old series: occasional use of exact dialogue from the books eg Ross telling Mrs Chynoweth that he has nothing to teach her about cock fighting.
Things I don't like: Absolute top of the list is Elizabeth - she is wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm not sure if it miscasting, or poor scripting, or both? The old TV series got her wrong, too, in that Jill Townsend was not beautiful, but she played Elizabeth's personality well. The new actress (sorry, I can't remember her name as she is totally unknown to me) is certainly beautiful but not in the fragile, fair and ethereal way that WG describes. She is too earthy, and healthy looking. Worse yet, she doesn't behave like Elizabeth. Elizabeth doesn't run... on the cliffs, in the field, out of the front door, or anywhere. She would never been seen mucking around in a field with Ross, she would never have visited Nampara before he went to the war. She would not be outdoors without a head covering. She would not cry, she would not seek Ross out by foot at a crossroads. They have made her far too reachable - one of her holds over men was her aloof unattainability. The scriptwriters also seemed to have missed the very important point that the Elizabeth that Ross falls in love with is an ideal, not the real woman. (That feels better, now!)
Other dislikes: Removing Jud and Prudie's comedy - it makes you wonder why Ross keeps them: Prudie trying to get rid of Demelza - she wanted Demelza to stay because it allowed her to be lazy, she loved bossing Demelza around, it was only later that she wasn't impressed when Demelza became the mistress: Agree with others about too much horse riding - I'm hoping that goes in future episodes: Making Uncle Charles nasty. I notice that they are very careful not to indicate in any way how old Demelza is when Ross finds her at the fair - I think because they can't make the actress look thirteen, they are implying (to watchers who don't know the books) that she is more like 16-17 and that it is less than a year before Ross notices her as a woman. I can forgive that as I would rather have a fantastic adult Demelza, than maybe compromise to get an actress to can be played younger. It was one of the small issues with Angharad was that she was never able to develop physically into Demelza's womanly figure.
These dislikes sound big, but really, apart from Elizabeth, they are small irritations compared with the overall feel of the show, and the joy of being immersed in Poldark in a new way.
Ellie is great yes! It could've gone terribly wrong, but she's realizing Demelza so well.
What is really fabulous about this new adaptation is that the relationship between Ross and Demelza is evolving authentically in line with the way WG wrote them. Demelza is just as I imagine her and Ellie is playing her so intuitively, so that we see her emerge believably from the young girl to the young married woman, growing in confidence and grace but never losing that innocence and very individual spirit that makes Demelza so beloved. I agree with Smollett, and you Ross, they do focus on the love story, but the relationships between the other main characters is being featured very well too.
Yes Ross, I feel that the love story is very much at the core of this new production. The sub stories are given quite good coverage too though, thankfully, and the scenery, really , is the star turn!
Australian viewers got to see the first ep last Sunday! How beautiful it is.
I for one was very grateful and thrilled of the way the blue silk dress seduction scene was written and portrayed. So close to the book. So different than the first series.
Quite noticeable are some of the comments that the characters are thinking that are included in the dialogue. For example; In Book 1, when Francis meets Ross at the mine to hear about Ross' marriage, he is relieved to know about Ross' marriage as any minute, he was afraid that Ross would throw away all convention and carry off Elizabeth. This is mentioned by Charles Poldark on his death bed although in the book it was thought by Francis. This is attention to detail by Debbie Horsefield which is very appreciated.
I am looking forward to Demelza's first ball as it is my most favorite section in all of the Poldark novels. It was so perfectly written by Winston Graham. I hope it is adhered to in the adaptation.
Well, oh my god - I just absolutely fell, hook line and sinker in love with Demelza all over again...
Might be stating the obvious, but I'm beginning to wonder in view of the severely limited time scales and budgets if Jud and Prudie are deliberately being downplayed so as to focus on and emphasise as much as possible the already starting to emerge much slower love story of Ross and Demelza in all future episodes, on top of which Debbie has already mentioned something about "Gone With The Wind" somewhere ?
This might then perhaps explain the rushed and compressed feelings of everything else, the 'early' (non Valentine) child born to Elizabeth, Charles' hostility for starters, why perhaps no Mr. Pierce, Nicholas Warleggan and other similar "fringe" characters and less central/ key events to the central love story that presumably still lies ahead ?
Because when you think about it the love story thread with all its ups and downs and twists and turns is always there throughout, right up to the very last page of the last book....
"Ross looked at his wife, whose expression he could hardly read in the half-dark. She made a deprecating gesture."
I loved the third episode too; much better and calmer somehow- they are concentrating on the story rather than the aesthetics. The relationship between Ross and Demelza is coming along nicely.
I read a few of the reviews yesterday and just wish that the people who write them would read the books. Yes, it does seem sudden for Ross to marry his maid so quickly but that is exactly what happens, but I bet in WGs head Jud and Prudie were not in attendance!
In a way, though, they are right, the time-scale is very truncated - I have no idea how this was overcome in the 70s series, if it was. Both series have allocated 4 episodes for the first book. However, by omitting and changing around the timing of events might mess up the story later, if the whole 12 books are adapted.
For instance, with Jim being in prison and having only one child, and that not portrayed as per the book, there will be no Katie Carter, who comes into her own in later books. I can see the problems for the writer, as she obviously cannot include everything (what a pity - 8 programmes per book would have been wonderful), but since they do not really know if all the books are to be adapted, what to leave out?
One thing which is amusing me - Nampara is in the middle of nowhere; so how come visitors pop up as though from next door? I especially laughed at the Teagues who swanned down the pristine lane twirling their parasols. Perhaps horses were in short supply. Even Elizabeth arrives on two feet, several times, although I seem to recall she actually only visited on one occasion; the day after the blue dress incident.
I agree with Mrs Gimlett about the galloping and all the villagers using Ross's name. I kept thinking - 'I'm sure they don't call him that in the books, do they?'
However, I've just re-watched episode 3 from last night and I really quite enjoyed it!
Both Demelza and Ross are really growing on me. I think that the relationship growing between them really became apparent and I loved that the whole dress-seduction scene was so faithful to the books.
I can't help feeling as though it's all been a bit rushed, it doesn't seem to convey the passing of time very well.
I'm very much looking forward to next week though now...
Welcome to the forum, Diane and Vennor.
There seem to be very mixed reactions to these first two episodes.
I am enjoying it and think the best character so far is Demelza. Have been quite puzzled, like Dwight, about the order in which the events are portrayed. And Lord(?) Bassett shooting himself. Mines closed all the time but owners moved on to prospect elsewhere. Bassett, if he is supposed to have been the ACTUAL one, was a landowner and had fingers in many pies. He might have been sorry for his workers, but is unlikely to have ended it all.
There is a fair amount of unnecessary galloping along the clifftops between scenes - it looks beautiful of course, but does make one wonder where Ross is going next.
The other small niggle I have, well two actually, is that Ross would never have gone to a ball unshaven and slightly scruffy and all his Cornish mining friends would not have called him Ross - always Sir or Capt'n. It was the small distinction in acknowledging his class.
I shall continue to watch and hope that the mad dashing about becomes slightly less and the story takes the limelight.
Enjoy episode three everyone.
With only 8 episodes green-lighted, many characters and story lines have to go. That's understandable. However, I'm stumped by the demise of Nicholas Warleggan. He does figure prominently.
It appears to me that the actor playing George Warleggan might have been better used as Francis. In his early appearance in the first episode, he seems to have a grasp on the wit and the biting tongue that Winston Graham so brilliantly attributes to Francis. I thought Clive Francis captured it perfectly in the 70's series. Kyle Soller seems to be a deer in the headlights sans a sense of humor.
Also missed greatly is Paul Curran who was the quintessential Jud. Hopefully Paul Davis can step up his acting.
I'm trying, really hard, to try and watch it like it's the first time. That I don't know it, but it's hard not to compare.
I still feel like the story's moving too quickly.
I agree, I'm happy that so many new people will be introduced to the 'Power of Poldark' and pick up the books!
Unfortunately, I am convinced. Tedn't clever, tedn't right, tedn't British, and more important, tedn't Caurnish, tedn't even really Poldark. Debbie Horsefield (?) is on record as saying she'd stick faithfully to the books, so I can only assume that she is reading an edition of Poldark which I haven't come across. Just a few random thoughts. Where was Harris Pascoe's and Nat Pierce's assistance when Ross first returned? Charles and his bribe to Ross to leave Cornwall. Continual playing of scenes out of time sequence. "Lord" Bassett shooting himself. (Sir Francis Bassett only became Baron de Dunstaville well into the series, AND was a historical figure who survived.) Far too much emphasis given to Elizabeth. Nicholas Warleggan killed off and Cary - a minor character - brought to front. George brought in far too early. Judd, a comic character, now just plainly nasty. I could go on. In fact I will. It looks as if the Rev'd Dr Halse, Robin's cameo role, is going to be chief magistrate next week, a position occupied by Nicholas Warleggan, but I guess having already killed him off, Halse was co-opted into the role.
But does it all matter? Well there are two ways of looking at it I suppose. If coming to this Series cold, as it were, with no knowledge of the original, or of the books, then Poldark 2015 could be viewed dispassionately as just another Sunday evening space filling drama, and accepted on that level, and as that will apply to probably 90% of the viewers, then if enjoyed as such, and with acceptable viewing figures, why not? Although with most of the contributors to the newspaper's comment columns discussing their varying degrees of lust for Aidan Turner, the plot seems a tad superfluous.
But for us Poldark afficianados it does matter, and it just tedn't right. In spite of what I wrote above, only Aidan Turner comes across as a more or less believable Ross. George, who shouldn't really have any prominence at this stage, is being portrayed as far too much of a fop, with none of the steely venom so dear to his heart. Elizabeth absolutely none of her "ethereal" beauty and character which so enslaved Ross. Already mentioned Judd's complete lack of bumbling humour. Prudie, where's she? Far too much galloping across the same clifftop. I reserve judgement on Demelza, as we have yet to see Demelza Poldark emerge from her chrysalis. But worst of all is the complete jumbling of the timelines, and just too many chaotic and abbreviated scenes. The sad thing is that WG was punctilious in his research and scene and character setting, which is why the books so captivate the heart and make us almost believe in the reality of Poldark, and so much of this is being lost in this new adaptation.
Will I continue to watch? Well of course I will. I love Poldark and Cornwall too much not to do so, although I hesitate to think what might be done to the later books in the sequence. But will it, or would it have captivated me in the same way as Robin and Angharad did forty odd years ago, I very much doubt it.
Kept open mind to new series.
Watched second episode.
The person who adapted the books should be sacked. She's all over the place.
Can't keep up with the sequence of events. She did intially read the books? Maybe someone did it for her and she got muddled.
Ross seems to see a lot more of Elizabeth than I expected. Blonde or not. The Ball, oh dear. Haven't enough time. This all happened before he found Demelza.
Sorry everyone will now be giving this a miss. Maybe if I have nothing better to watch on a Sunday evening I might tune in. Perhaps if I had never read the books or saw the original series I would enjoy more, but sadly I have done both.
Still not sold, unfortunately...
Yes pretty much my thoughts as well so I'm interested to see the next episode too.
Interesting about the paraglider you can always take a few screen shots, the actual key's usually along the top of the keyboad somewhere "Prt. Scr". Finally you can then paste it into say Paintshop where you can then .jpg it if you want to display it online.
Alternatively pause the film when you see it, then write down the exact time that appears on the timer bar along the bottom then we can all look for it !
Good Day All
Well, Sunday night! I am reserving judgment until I have seen Ep. 2. I did enjoy it, but after all the hype was slightly disappointed. It seemed a bit too busy - too much crammed into one hour. In fact I checked and they have managed over 120 pages in that time. I guess it's to set the time, scene and background. If I didn't know the books so well I think I'd have been a bit confused.
Yes, the story is close-ish to the book, but Ross may regret selling his father's watch if the whole 12 books are to be filmed. Also, I am pretty sure I saw a paraglider over the sea at one point, although I have no way of checking this, as I don't have any recording equipment.
Like some others, I would have preferred Verity to be a little more vocal - she is such a support to Ross in book 1, through that long dark depressing winter.
I'm looking forward to next Sunday...
A warm welcome to the forum Diane glad you could join us. It's always been a comfort for all of us to have the books to turn to whenever the weather takes a turn - no question....
Well thought over reply to the very first episode. I have tried to keep an open mind. Problem is having seen the original series and having read the books several times since 1975 I am finding it difficult to do so. The original episodes took a few liberties but not many. Main one was Demelza in the first book Ross and their eventual marrying and then having the baby. This one is all over the place. Why is Nicolas Warleggan dead. He is also in the later books. Why is Ross still in his uniform and dropped off in the middle of nowhere. Delmelza looks nothing like a young girl, in fact she is a strapping young lady. Forgive me too picky. The acting is good and should keep a more open approach.
Will endevour to watch the rest and take it as it comes but will resort to my copies of Poldark if it gets too much.
Agreed Namps - I jotted down the same notes too which I then promptly lost, about Elizabeth's "it's a big mistake", that the period type music was perfect because it wasn't intrusive, agreed about Jud and Prudie when you think back to Paul Curran's and Mary Wimbush's vitality and impishness, and Ruby when compared to Norma Streader.
However one important point missed was that the fight between Sam Carne and Ross was not the usual pub brawl as shown but traditional Cornish wrestling at which both were expert, "Ross's ribs aching after Sam's hold....." which was a pity as it's enjoyable to watch. But small things in the grander scale....
It is quite nice to see Poldark again, but I'm not very happy about the new cast. Perhaps it's because I'm used to the old cast, there just seems to be a lack of character depth. But I wish the new cast well and look forward to watching the rest of the series.
My girlfriend and I were at the beach in the Gower in Wales during the summer and saw a two masted sailing ship by the Cornwall coast, I was wondering if the ship had anything to do with the filming? Unfortunately, neither of us had our cameras with us.
Hope the new show brings new fans to the Literary Society. Think there could be a link on the credits anywhere?
Well, my overall reaction remains unchanged; I was delighted with the new adaptation. Of course, it will never be able to engage all of our desires and dreams of how we wished it to be, after all there is a very limited time frame in which to condense all the wonderful story and many scenes have to be left out or rushed through in order to tell as much of the tale as possible. There will be changes that we find hard to comprehend, for instance, the scene where Prudie does her mile a minute dash to Trenwith; I agree, it seemed rather stupid to give this screen time at the expense of something far more authentic and the whole Charles refusing to let Francis rush to Ross's aid bit was annoying, along with the scene where Elizabeth rides out along the cliffs to encounter Ross and Demelza on horseback to tell him he's making a mistake. A deviation from the real story line that did make me roll my eyes, but I am fighting hard to keep an open mind and give Debbie Horsfield well deserved credit for her interpretation of this great story in its fresh, exciting, bright new adaptation for the TV audience of today.
I'm not completely sold on Phil Davis as Jud, or Beatie Edney as Prudie, just not cantankerously old wormish or lazily belligerent enough for me, but hopefully they will grow into their characters. I also thought that Ruby Benthall would have been better cast as Jinny rather than Verity and she will have to show a much warmer, compassionate and emotional element in her acting before she can make me believe in her as our dear Verity.
But, we HAVE to keep in mind that this is a new adaptation of the books, completely separate to the old TV series, and by this token will obviously never be able to tick all our boxes. I'm intent on keeping a positive outlook and enjoying the fact that it will be the vehicle to bring WG's wonderful books back into the mainstream, into schools, book clubs, libraries and back into the forefront of public attention where his name will be spoken aloud along with all the great writers we have all, so often mentioned.
I loved it. The music was wonderful and blended organically and softly into the landscape and the scenes without ever being overpowering or irritating, it just played its part in enhancing every scene in a subtle and beautiful way. Aidan Turner's interpretation of Ross Poldark was surprisingly impressive and Eleanor's 'Demelza' will be exceptionally sublime and much more in tune with the real Demelza in the books. I am looking forward to seeing the rest of this first series and I'm not listening to all the grumpy, negative, sour grapes sort of reviews, especially the ones about the Cornish accent, which I thought was pretty well done, knowing Cornish family members, there's a wide variation in accent and some people are never going to be happy, even, as in the case of Zacky Martin, Rory Wilton and Emma who are Cornish born and bred. You can't please all of the people all of the time! In the case of the complainers and negative reviewers I just wonder .... 'Could you have done any better?'!!! I doubt it!
So watch it with an open heart and mind and enjoy it for what it is, please. Be grateful that it is back, that's the main thing!
Very early days indeed with 7 more episodes to come so obviously hard to form any opinions for quite a while yet, but already starting to look forward to the next episode.
Main problem to begin with was the technological quantum leap from the Seventies' series of for example flapping backdrops when a door opened, most memorably depicted when Ross enters bringing a large cheese to Jinny, to the latest one where the hills and sea are amazingly real which is still taking a lot of getting used to ! And the shots of the fantastic Cornish scenery are quite simply spectacular.
Perhaps having already watched several trailers I'm not sure, but it wasn't that hard to pick up the beginnings of a budding chemistry between Ross and Demelza, which obviously is the central theme of all so already looking forward to the pilchard's scene !
I too was a bit puzzled why George appeared so early, especially Cary who I don't remember appearing till a lot later. However I'm still having problems trying to understand Charles's strange even hostile attitude to Ross - "there's no future for you here boy" then giving him money as well. To presumably leave for good or is there another motive ? Perhaps to make sure that he and Mrs. Chynoweth achieve their presumed aim of giving Elizabeth no choice other than to marry Francis ? Puzzling as there's nothing about it in the books.
Definitely agree about Prudie's amazing new found long distance running skills, especially when you think of the number of times Ross, Verity, Elizabeth and Francis among others had to ride to Nampara then had to ride back - hopefully it'll be Jud's turn soon !
Above all warmest congratulations to all the cast and crew for a very fine effort ensuring that Winston Graham's wonderful creation will now last for many more years to come which has to be the ultimate goal. Thinking too of all the new 8 to 15 year old potential fans who also watched it last night, one day perhaps looking back on it all just as nostalgically as many of us are now doing as well....
There are various things that I felt uneasy with, including a slight Irish twang to the Received Pronunciation Mr Turner.......
It moved rather fast between scenes, with a lot of galloping about, yet Prudie made it to Trenwith and back in what seemed like a few minutes! Good to hear some (I think) direct quotes in the script.
Fantastic scenery, and some great acting from Warren Clarke, Aiden and Eleanor.
I've been looking forward to this for so long.
first impressions, after tonight's episode ...
"I've only followed the devices and desires of my own heart"
Got to admit - I'm not sold...