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Date: Jan 23 3:53 PM, 2015
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I may well be wrong, Ross.  Perhaps there was an opportunity, but Four Swans that follows Agatha's death is mostly about Ross spending money on Nampara and getting involved in politics from what I recall.  The quotes I looked up.

Usually, I am prompted to read odd bits of the books because I have read something else and my memory is jogged.  Actually, in the 'Eavesdropping' book, I was reading about money and the whole issue of coin shortage (when Harris Pascoe nearly went bust) is mentioned; even down to there being Spanish(I think) coins overstamped with George III head is explained in detail. 

I read the books from start to finish a couple of years ago, but being 'on the spot' as it were, things crop up fairly often (since I study local history for genealogy) and then I sometimes compare fact and fiction.  Important not to get the two mixed up!



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Date: Jan 23 11:29 AM, 2015
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Certainly been a while since I read the books, but I was thinking there was a time not long after Aunt Agatha died when Ross visited Pascoe about his financial straits and what assets he had left to sell and that George with his string of financial connections could have got wind of it....?

That's always the problem sometimes forgetting the correct sequence of events, so how often do you read all the books from start to finish ? Or do you pick up a book at random and read it completely ? Or cherry pick your favourite scenes which is what I tend to do ?



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Date: Jan 23 10:44 AM, 2015
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Yes, I'm sure George is always rehearsing in his head what he would say to Ross should their paths cross.  However, Ross often comes up with a pithy line to -- George's bubble of self-importance. 

George:  'You're not looking so well as when I last saw you. Can it be the anxieties of the trial?'

Ross:  'Nor you. Can you have had some disappointment?'

 

George: 'I envy you your confidence'.

Ross: 'Must you be jealous even of that?'

 

One problem with your theory, Ross, is that George didn't get his opportunity because Ross was never again financially embarrassed.  I'm sure George was always wishing him to be, but once Wheal Grace was making money, Ross' money worries were over.  Probably, George couldn't understand how Ross made ends meet, but an accumulation of money was never important to Ross, apart from allowing him to help others.  Of course, philanthropy was not George's thing, except when it improved his standing with the nobility.

Perhaps he was storing the knowledge to produce at the least appropriate moment but it never came.

 

 

 



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Date: Jan 22 12:53 PM, 2015
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Thanks for the tip about the book sounds very interesting....

Of course the key to nearly all of George's behaviour is as you say when it's "absolutely necessary", rarely being caught off his guard which is why it's always really enjoyable to read how Harriet loves deliberately and effortlessly unsettling him ! However it's when matters of finance raise their head that he becomes virtually impossible to outmanouevre for example suddenly calling in loans whenever he wants etc., which I think he displayed well when Ross visited him about Elizabeth's shares in a mine and now married it became his sole responsibility. In other words when he is playing his best, usually trump cards of finance and loans etc. against Ross.

This is what I had in mind regarding getting his revenge on both Aunt Agatha and Ross simultaneously, specifically at a point when it was more or less public knowledge that Ross was considerably embarrassed financially. I can see him behaving in exactly the same way he did in the Red Lion just before their brawl barring Ross with his cane from leaving, though I forget the presumably calculated original reason for him doing it but it must have been an occasion when he felt it was absolutely necessary as well.

So with these trump cards always available to him at any point he chose, it's difficult to see him resisting the temptation to strike an additional blow at Ross whilst under public duress financially. Being always on the ready to pounce whenever they met, even going out of his way to "accidentally" bump in to Ross ideally in front of a county audience such as at a ball.

"Of course I confess to being most surprised indeed Sir to recently learn that our dearly departed soul of the family dear Aunt Agatha was a mere 97 when she died and not awaiting her hundreth birthday after all. Pray Sir do please enlighten me....ahem that is if you can...?"



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Date: Jan 22 11:21 AM, 2015
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I agree that George would wallow in the knowledge of Agatha's birth and baptism records.  But on the other hand he and Ross only had conversation when it was absolutely necessary.  The ideal time to have told him would have been at that meeting in the Red Lion, when they were meant to be discussing charitable hospitals, because then Ross would have been constrained to contain his anger, or he may have abruptly left the inn, but instead they snarled at each other in a low key way.

Of course, he may already have been informed when the birthday party was cancelled.  You can just hear George saying (or more probably writing - or sending Tankard to Nampara) she had died just short of her 98th birthday!  Maybe Ross would then have looked in the parish register to check.

Yes the book is good and can be read from cover to cover as well as pond dipping.  The title is, 'Eavesdropping on Jane Austen's England - How our Ancestors lived two centuries ago', by Roy and Lesley Adkins.  ISBN 978-0-349-13860-2  Paperback. Available from a well-known website!!

 

 



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Date: Jan 21 11:49 PM, 2015
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Good question Mrs. G. I doubt George would have ever changed so ingrained was his hatred of both Aunt Agatha and Ross, and would have relished the golden opportunity to really upset Ross knowing full well that he would immediately flare up and challenge him for conclusive proof. So I would think yes two birds with one stone the final question for George, knowing how much he cared for her, being what would be the best time to tell him and the worst for Ross.

I've often wondered about Julia too knowing how much she meant to Ross and Demelza and why for example they never made an annual pilgrimage....

The book sounds very interesting do you have the title/ISBN no....?



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I've just finished reading a book about everyday life in Georgian England, no not Poldark!  This is a reference book, the last chapter of which is about death.

It got me thinking about the graves of our favourite family.  Ross and George Warleggan had 'high words' in the Red Lion Inn about Aunt Agatha's grave and later Ross went up to the churchyard to see about a headstone, there encountering Elizabeth.

Now when that headstone was eventually erected do you think the year of her birth was put as 1695 or 1697?  Since Ross had the thing done, do you think he was told by George that she was only 97, when informed of her death?

Often wondered about little Julia too.  We know she was buried in Sawle churchyard, but even though Demelza visits there a couple of times, it is never mentioned.



-- Edited by Mrs Gimlett on Wednesday 21st of January 2015 08:14:55 PM

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