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What if --- Elizabeth HAD married Ross (even after his return from America)?
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pint-of-mild wrote:

Nice re-imagining, Dark Mare.  I think that Demelza and Francis would have made quite a nice couple!

However, if Ross and Elizabeth were married, I don't think that he would have taken Demelza home at all.  I think he would have intervened and helped, but I don't think he would have taken her back to Nampara.


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As for whether Ross would have brought Demelza home if he were married to Elizabeth, I think it would depend entirely on whether he would have offered the girl a ride home to Illogan -- it was on the road to Ilogan that Demelza showed him the marks her father's beating had left on her back.

If he didn't, he would have been none the wiser about her home situation.

If he did, she would have told him she wasn't going right home and why. Once he saw the welts on her back, he was stuck. I imagine he would have been more concerned about Elizabeth thinking he was unfeeling and irresponsible if he returned the child to such a brute than her thinking he was soft-headed as well as soft-hearted for bringing Demelza to Nampara to let his wife sort the girl out. Remember, Ross and Elizabeth hold higher-than-justified opinions of each other's character, judgment and intelligence, and that is why their arguments get so ugly. Each disappointment should get them to recalibrate their opinions of each other, but that never seems to happen. 



-- Edited by Dark Mare on Thursday 23rd of June 2016 11:12:34 PM

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Nice re-imagining, Dark Mare.  I think that Demelza and Francis would have made quite a nice couple!

However, if Ross and Elizabeth were married, I don't think that he would have taken Demelza home at all.  I think he would have intervened and helped, but I don't think he would have taken her back to Nampara.



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LJones41 wrote:

 I suspect that Elizabeth is a lot tougher than many people believe . . . or want to believe.  I keep forgetting that many readers want to place Elizabeth in this negative role, because - a) she originally rejected Ross to marry Francis; and b) they see her as some kind of roadblock to a happy relationship between Ross and Demelza.  I've rarely come across who are capable of viewing Elizabeth simply as a complex person.  I suspect that Elizabeth would have quickly put Jud and Prudie in their places and ensure that some order is brought to Nampara.



-- Edited by LJones41 on Tuesday 22nd of December 2015 11:25:38 PM


 If Elizabeth had been Ross' wife when he rescued Demelza, I think she would have demanded that he send her home ... and promptly changed her mind once she had had a look at the girl's back. I suspect she would have insisted that Ross visit the girl's father to obtain his permission to hire her as a kitchen maid. And then she would have handed her off to Verity and Mrs. Tabb for training, expecting to get her back in a few months.

Once at Trenwith, Demelza would charm Old Charles and Aunt Agatha and become Francis' pet. Charles and Agatha would launch a plot to turn her into a lady -- with a fictional pedigree more prestigious than Elizabeth's -- with an eye toward marrying her off to George Warleggan! just for fun. Verity would have plans of her own for the girl: She is to be her maid and companion once she marries Captain Blamey. Francis would fall into the trap Charles and Agatha set for George and have to whisk Demelza to Gretna Green after failing miserably in his attempt to gain her father's permission to marry the underage girl. Ross and Elizabeth would be barred from Trenwith for enabling both of Charles' children to make unsuitable matches.

The stress of all this would cause Charles to have a fatal heart attack. Francis then would become squire and Demelza mistress of Trenwith. They would name their passel of children after Ross, Elizabeth and the boys who were attacking Demelza when Ross rescued her, and all future dogs will be named variations of Garrick. Demelza would spend her scant spare time trying to find the ideal miner's daughter for George. And Ross and Elizabeth would spend their days envying the happy couple who have it all.



-- Edited by Dark Mare on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 10:35:27 PM



-- Edited by Dark Mare on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 10:36:53 PM

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Yes, she would have beaten Ross to the punch by one book.



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Yes, Elizabeth would have put Jud and Prudie in their places - out of a job and back down the village!!



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I think the comparison of earthenware and china would have become painfully apparent here as Elizabeth would have cracked and shattered at the first splash of boiling hot water, whereas Demelza just absorbed it and weathered the storm with down to earth practicality, wit and wisdom.  No doubt about it, Ross had a lucky escape, although it took him rather a while to realise and really appreciate his good fortune.

 

I suspect that Elizabeth is a lot tougher than many people believe . . . or want to believe.  I keep forgetting that many readers want to place Elizabeth in this negative role, because - a) she originally rejected Ross to marry Francis; and b) they see her as some kind of roadblock to a happy relationship between Ross and Demelza.  I've rarely come across who are capable of viewing Elizabeth simply as a complex person.  I suspect that Elizabeth would have quickly put Jud and Prudie in their places and ensure that some order is brought to Nampara.



-- Edited by LJones41 on Tuesday 22nd of December 2015 11:25:38 PM

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Namparagirl wrote:

I think the comparison of earthenware and china would have become painfully apparent here as Elizabeth would have cracked and shattered at the first splash of boiling hot water, whereas Demelza just absorbed it and weathered the storm with down to earth practicality, wit and wisdom.  No doubt about it, Ross had a lucky escape, although it took him rather a while to realise and really appreciate his good fortune.


 I think this is a great observation, got it spot on in my opinion!!



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I'm not sure if they would have even made it to the alter, to be honest!! I could imagine that there would have been a few hurdles along the away that would have ended the relationship. I think that Elizabeth would have realised that a life with Ross would have been far too eventful, dangerous even. I think one look at the state of Nampara when Ross returned and the prospect of Jud and Prudie as servants would have scared her off!!

As for whether Ross would have met Demelza or not, given a different turn of events, we can only hope...

I realise I've deviated from the question, but this is just my opinion.

 



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I think the comparison of earthenware and china would have become painfully apparent here as Elizabeth would have cracked and shattered at the first splash of boiling hot water, whereas Demelza just absorbed it and weathered the storm with down to earth practicality, wit and wisdom.  No doubt about it, Ross had a lucky escape, although it took him rather a while to realise and really appreciate his good fortune.



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I can't even imagine her living at Nampara, imagine how fast Jud and Prudie would have been evicted! 



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Skippy wrote:

However, knowing Demelza, I wonder if she had really not "interfered" with Ross and Elizabeth then. I rather do think that Elizabeth would have become jealous of Demelza no matter what. Even if Demelza had only remained a servant, Elizabeth was insecure at heart. Demelza would have become a subject of friction between them anyway - I think.


 Hmmm perhaps you are right. I think she would pretty soon have given Demelza the flick!



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I can't imagine how Elizabeth would have reacted/behaved when things started going wrong financially.  Can't see her going out fishing and then making star-gazey pie!


 Or pleading Ross's case with Justice Lister...hiding stolen goods in the house...helping Mark Daniel....the list goes on!



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I think you are right Skippy.  I think if Elizabeth had been mistress of the house - which I think would have been a disaster - she would have not put up with Demelza's presence in the house.   (and she wasn't too happy when she noticed some small changes in the front room was she?!)

I can't imagine how Elizabeth would have reacted/behaved when things started going wrong financially.  Can't see her going out fishing and then making star-gazey pie!



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However, knowing Demelza, I wonder if she had really not "interfered" with Ross and Elizabeth then. I rather do think that Elizabeth would have become jealous of Demelza no matter what. Even if Demelza had only remained a servant, Elizabeth was insecure at heart. Demelza would have become a subject of friction between them anyway - I think.



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Perish the thought!!!
However I think he still would have gone to Redruth Fair and met Demelza and she would have come back with him....and remained a servant.

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He would have been as miserable as Jud!



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Demelza certainly would never have walked into his life that's for sure....and yes, he would have soon become bored with Elizabeth.....she was no fun at all.....he'd have soon been off looking for Margaret :)

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As the question says... what would have happened? Would Demelza still have appeared in his life?

I think that Ross eventually would have grown rather bored with her, and Elizabeth would panic that he would behave too dangerous and be at home too little.

It's just a perspective I thought about the other day.



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