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RE: Lovely scene with Angharad and Clive
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Char Nanfan wrote:

Also, wonder if the relationship between Elizabeth and Demelza would have improved or would it have worsened. Difficult to say if Francis and Elizabeht could have redeemed thier marriage. If Elizabeth became more unsettled, would she still have turned to Ross making him even more restless and frustrated. Would the cousins have fallen out again?


 If Francis had lived, the relationship between Elizabeth and Demelza would have worsen because Elizabeth was already resenting Francis' fondness for Demelza by the original Chapter Six in "Demelza" (it appears only in the first edition), and once the rift created by Demelza's role in Verity's elopement healed, that affection continued to grow. By the day Francis died, he was spending as much time at Nampara as he was at Trenwith, as Ross noted to Demelza before he left for Truro that day. Indeed, he might not have died had he not gone down into the mine to avoid going home because he didn't want to lose the happy feeling his conversation with Demelza had given him. If Elizabeth resented Demelza before Verity's elopement happened, how would she feel about her when her husband was spending as much time with Demelza as he was with her? These excerpts show what I mean:

Page 70, "Demelza" (first edition only) 
     "Well, Ross is making money at Wheal Leisure."
     "There is a modest profit, nothing spectacular. For my part, if I was in his place and had a little money for the first time in years, I should get me a few new servants to supplant those Paynters, who slop about as if the place was their own by deed of gift. After all, he owes something to his station."
     "Perhaps his little wife would not welcome new servants," Elizabeth said, "lest she should be mistaken for one of them."
     "She'll learn quick enough," said Francis irritatingly. "I confess I found her entertaining enough at Christmas time. As for Tuesday (Julia's christening), well, one cannot be blamed too harsh for one's relatives."
     "That's what people will be saying of us if Demelza tries to play the great lady before she has even learned to play the small one."
     Francis puffed his pipe. He had not looked at it that way before. Then he laughed.
     "My dear, when I think of some of the people who are accepted into our society, I do not fear for Demelza."
     Elizabeth stiffened.
     "Whom do you mean?"
     "Well, what is Polly Choake but a brewer's daughter? What is George Warleggan but a smith's grandson? What is Odgers but a half-starved little lackey with a horse collar and a horse wig? Damn me, I'm a good Cornishman and should rather mix with a sumpman's daughter any day of the month."
     Coming down into the arena, Elizabeth said suddenly, whitely, "I wonder you didn't marry one." 
     Francis took the pipe from his mouth and stared at the bole for some moments.
     "I don't question your sincerity in saying that. But I doubt your wisdom."
     "How dare you!" She turned on him tremulously. "Do you suggest that all the obligation of the marriage has been on my side? ---"
     "No, but it would be unwise to assume it has been all on mine."
     " --- How can you say that I haven't done everything to help you? You would find no one who could have done better. I have had as my only thought the care of yourself and your father, your house and your child. I have sat here alone in this parlor night after night, week after week, while you have been gaming away your inheritance and your son's inheritance! I have done everything possible to cut down our expense in these difficult times, while you have thrown money on the card tables and drunk yourself into a -- into a stupor. I have never known your thanks or praise. You keep your thanks for -- for I know not what strumpet and your praise for the beggar girl Ross has married!"
Page 81, "Warleggan" 
(Ross) smiled grimly. "The weather is cold enough for November. Go in now and talk to Francis. Have you noticed how fond of our house he is become since the mine opened? Hes as much here as at his own home." 
"Ive noticed." 


Page 86, "Warleggan" 
He went into the changing-shed of the mine and picked up a few of his belongings. He had come this far almost without thinking. His horse was in the Nampara stables, he had had no intention of going down the mine again. But the shed was empty; and when he got inside, the thought came to him that the last thing he wanted was to go home. 
 
His own house depressed him; Elizabeth depressed him. He knew that this happier mood would go quick enough; for the moment he could not bear to part with it. He began to slip on the old drill trousers and the woollen coat."


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Date: Aug 15 9:24 PM, 2017
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Every time I watch this it breaks my heart. Clive Francis is so lovely as Francis.

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Also, wonder if the relationship between Elizabeth and Demelza would have improved or would it have worsened. Difficult to say if Francis and Elizabeht could have redeemed thier marriage. If Elizabeth became more unsettled, would she still have turned to Ross making him even more restless and frustrated. Would the cousins have fallen out again?



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bronny wrote:

Aaaawww.....and very true too. If there was one event that frustrates me in Poldark, it's Francis dying just as things are getting better for him (or so he believed). But if WG hadn't killed him off, how different the storylines would have been! Now that's a good topic for discussion!
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Aaaawww.....and very true too. If there was one event that frustrates me in Poldark, it's Francis dying just as things are getting better for him (or so he believed). But if WG hadn't killed him off, how different the storylines would have been! Now that's a good topic for discussion!
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Date: Dec 22 11:26 AM, 2011
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bronny wrote:

I haven't read the books for a while - but can someone remind me - is this scene faithful to the book?

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It's pretty close. They do have a conversation about Elizabeth and Ross's feelings for her. Also how much Demelza has brought to the Poldarks.

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Date: Dec 22 11:20 AM, 2011
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We know what you mean!

THere is a part in the book where Francis and Demelza share a very similar conversation, where he confesses his part in the failure of carnmore copper and Demelza refuses to condemn him for it. He then tells her, that he can see why ROss loves her as he could do so himself. Aw.......



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Date: Dec 20 11:00 PM, 2011
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Oh gosh I've just re-read my post - I didn't mean it to sound like it was a wonderful episode BECAUSE Francis was drowned! :(

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Date: Dec 20 2:48 AM, 2011
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Hi All,

As some as you may know I'm in the middle of copying the original episodes from VHS (recorded in 1979) to dvd and because that is done in real time, I have to keep my eye on what's being recorded. Which means I need to watch the episodes - AGAIN! How terrible biggrin

Today I was transferring the wonderful episode in which Francis is drowned - remember the bit where he takes the copper samples to Demelza when Ross is out? And he is so lovely to her.....I've always had a real affection for this scene between Angharad and Clive - it is so tender and lovely and sad, considering what happened shortly after.

I haven't read the books for a while - but can someone remind me - is this scene faithful to the book?

Bron



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