Regarding the relationship between Tholly and Ross. I believe that though Ross was initially repulsed by Tholly he was tolerant of him due to Tholly's connection with Joshua. When on that fateful trip down the river, the escape from Quimper, Tholly became a father figure to Ross. Ross was at the lowest point in his life, yes there were other points of low but this one was particularly poignant because it was not just his life by the lives of others participating in this rescue. Ross has already lost one life, Joe Nanfan, who preyed heavily on his mind, but to lose anymore and maybe everyone was too much of a burden to Ross's sensitivities. I imagine Tholly draping his good arm around Ross's shoulders in a fatherly fashion, encouraging him to remain steadfast. Deep down even though Tholly's philosophy on Life No one deserves to lose, Tholly said, and wheezed a few times. Thats not the way things work in this world. Folk dont get their deserts. Fortunate for me, eh, Capn? is cynical, I think he believes there is goodness in life at least in the goodness of this son of Joshua. A goodness that will triumph.
I'm just speculating, but...
PS: As "our" Ross said, please use the spoiler button when talking about this - highlight your text and the spoiler icon will appear, middle row, third from right. Click on it, and the magic occurs!
If season 3 is faithful to TBM, it will show that Ross made two trips to France. Perhaps that is what the trailers are reflecting. The first trip, Ross' fact finding mission, was made when D was pregnant. The second trip of course was the rescue mission, made after Demelza had delivered.
Sorry, just read the bit you hid in the spoiler alert. Maybe...maybe....
But in the other photos, with Demelza not-pregnant, Ross is wearing his hat.
Did you conclude that Tholly would tell Demelza that Ross was dead just from the picture of Demelza and Tholly together? The other pictures show Demelza and Ross falling into each other's arms.
What those pictures do seem to imply is that the men land back in England at a beach where Demelza is nearby.
These are the photos from Season 3 with the bit I mentioned - scroll down a bit, it's the fourth item down:
Mrs Gimlett wrote:I think I shall probably be out of the country when this airs, but if it goes off-piste I shall not mind.
I think I shall probably be out of the country when this airs, but if it goes off-piste I shall not mind.
I saw something recently which makes clear it will air in the Autumn so you will have no excuse for not watching Mrs G. There is to be a Poldark Panel event at the BFI on 8th April which will include a sneak preview of series 3 and a discussion of the character of Ross. Aidan Turner, Debbie Horsfield and Damien Timmer will be there as will I be in the first row. It's only an hour long but the blurb says it will air in the Autumn.
SusanneMcCarthy wrote:Warning: Potential SPOILER! I've extrapolated it from a couple of scenes in the trailer for season three - though bear in mind the trailers are often deceptive. SpoilerTholly giving a tricorn hat to a distressed and heavily pregnant Demelza, Demelza walking along the beach looking heartbroken, then a rough rowing boat landing, apparently at Nampara Cove, and Ross leaping out to hug a no-longer-pregnant Demelza. Seems to suggest the party got split up somehow. We shall see!
Warning: Potential SPOILER! I've extrapolated it from a couple of scenes in the trailer for season three - though bear in mind the trailers are often deceptive. SpoilerTholly giving a tricorn hat to a distressed and heavily pregnant Demelza, Demelza walking along the beach looking heartbroken, then a rough rowing boat landing, apparently at Nampara Cove, and Ross leaping out to hug a no-longer-pregnant Demelza. Seems to suggest the party got split up somehow. We shall see!
Where did you find this? I haven't seen much at all about series 3.
Topic moved from "General Discussions" to original Tholly Tregirl's thread in "Individual characters not the actors."
"Perfection is a full stop .... Ever the climbing but never the attaining Of the mountain top." W.G.
Where have you seen those changes? Just from your comments, it sounds awful.
I'm OK with changes to the plot - makes it more interesting than just watching a robotic repetition. So long as they keep the characters accurate.
I was wondering how they would treat Tholly's character. I really don't mind the changes in the TV series. I enjoy both the books and the TV version.
Unfortunately I think they've made some changes to the France expedition for the TV series. It looks as if Tholly returns and tells Demelza that Ross has been killed. I guess it will be interesting to see what they do with it.
Bartholomew "Tholly" Tregirls All excerpts from Black Moon: A Novel of Cornwall 1794-1795
W.G. has many interesting women in his novels but men with the exception of Ross are not as interesting with the exception of Bartholomew " Tholly " Tregirls. Here are a few excerpts from the Black Moon book.
Ross remembers Tholly as a partner with his dad Joshua and their carousing around the countryside. He was a large handsome man, and no man, husband or father, could be sure their women were safe from these two. However that has now changed, Tholly is still huge but different.
An age had passed. Ross had some affection for this big powerful man sitting beside him. And the years had changed Tholly changed him in fact and also in the eye of the beholder. He looked seedy, battered, and reduced in size and importance. (p. 85).
Demelza's first meeting with Tholly. She didn't like him, probably due to his bold assertive manner.
Towering over her and she was not short he told her this, while his ice-grey, canny eyes summed her up in a half-respectful, half-impudent fashion. Probably he had heard of her origins and was trying to discover from the expressions on her face whether Ross had married a saucy piece who would give as good as she got and would be out for a lark herself, or an ambitious climber who would be so careful of her new position that she would try to freeze his reminiscences to death.
For her part, Demelza summed him up as a dangerous man because he looked to her like a man whose regard for person, law or property was conditioned only by his personal need. He looked a pirate. (p.302)
Ross going to Trenwith to confront George about Drake's harassment.
Have you time to ride with me? I need a peaceful bodyguard. (p. 399).
Ross's thoughts regarding Tholly after their break from the French Prison Quimper.
Tregirlss breathing kept whistling through his black and broken teeth. Ross looked at him and thought there could hardly be a better model for a pirate. A weeks growth of beard, the great knife scar puckering one leather cheek, grizzled hair blowing in the wind, savage teeth just showing, one hand on the tiller, the hook fixed firmly into the bulwark to give him stability. He had killed two men last night with no more compunction than swatting a fly. (p. 488 )
Interesting that Demelza and Ross both thought he looked like a pirate.
I wonder if Demelza knew how crucial Tholly was on the mission to rescue Dwight she might think more kindly of him. Also although he was a man of compromised morals he never suffered from self-pity like our hero Ross was want to do at times. Never more so on the trip up the river after the escape from the. Quimper. Ross seemed to have lost his courage and despaired heavily of his attempting this trip. Tholly seemed to be the backbone needed at this time to continue.
Ross put his head in his hands. My God! May I burn in hell! (p. 486).
Tholly said: Were no worse off here than where we was before, Capn. Who would have waited?
A sailor would, said Ross. Or a man with a brain any condition of a brain. I deserve to lose. (p. 486).
No one deserves to lose, Tholly said, and wheezed a few times. Thats not the way things work in this world. Folk dont get their deserts. Fortunate for me, eh, Capn?
You a praying man? Ross asked.
Not much of one. You know I dont.
Well pray now. (pp. 486-487).
Interesting philosophy towards life Tholly has.
I would encourage everyone to re-read this whole rescue mission to France and also Tholly's visit to Nampara.
I apologize for such a long submission. I hope if you have read this far you found it worthwhile.