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Let me add my kudos and say I love Harriet too! She is such a refreshing spitfire. I especially love the way she deflates George and thumbs her nose at his bullying. My favorite exchange between the two comes after she so cleverly makes George honor his hotly contested bid and buy Bargrave at auction. 

Later, recalling her Ross-encounter, she tells George (somewhat flushed I imagine): 

'It is the first time,' Harriet said, 'that I have seen this gentleman. He has a certain sultry, sallow look which I admit give one curious sensations in the crotch; but I would not have thought him such an ogre as I had been led to believe. Trim his hair a little, give him a new cravat, and he would pass in a drawing-room as well as the next man.' TMD, chpt. 25,  p.224.

George would have murdered Elizabeth on the spot had she ever said anything remotely approaching this.



-- Edited by Hollyhock on Friday 2nd of June 2017 07:45:08 PM

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I loved this character - what a woman! She seems to embody some of the best elements of Demelza (her earthiness) Caroline (her rebellious streak) and Elizabeth (her breeding). It's clear that Ross was quite taken with her, and she with Ross, and there are moments when it almost seems they might... But they don't. 

I loved that she seems to be George's come-uppance. He desperately wanted to marry her - for many of the same reasons he wanted to marry Elizabeth, including the suspicion that Ross might be interested. But whereas with Elizabeth he got a compliant doll, with Harriet he got a spitfire who put him very firmly in his place. 

I just wonder... if Demelza hadn't been around, would she and Ross have got it together? What if they'd married? Now THAT would have been quite a story!

 


 This is what I was replying to - you seemed to think Ross might be interested in Harriet before George married her.  I cannot recall anything relevant to that in the books.  As I have already mentioned, so far as we know, Ross hadn't set eyes on her until they were married.

I do think it's a really good plotline though.  So lovely to see George not knowing how to answer her or how to get the better of her.  She mostly treats him as a cash cow, occasionally placating him by letting him into her bedroom. 



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Demelza clearly thinks he has a taking for her, though she doesn't seem to mind - when Clowance apologizes for inviting her to her wedding, Demelza says that sometimes he "takes a fancy for a pretty young woman who has his own kind of arrogance.

I think Demelza is right - there's a certain attraction there, but never enough to ignite a flame. And as you say, there were too many differences in attitude between them. 

 


I've always wondered whether Clowance also was embarrassed by Ross' behavior because it was happening in front of Edward's family. Demelza was working like a dog to make sure everything was perfect, and the father of the bride was flirting with one guest, Harriet, rather than putting as much energy into being the genial host to all the guests. I suspect she worried that her in-laws would get the wrong idea about her father, thinking he treated her mother as the servant she once was. Considering that they knew -- and really liked -- Demelza better than they knew Ross, this could make them like him less, which would bother a daughter as proud of both her parents as Clowance was. (Yes, Edward and his brother had known Ross for years, but they knew him in a work context, not a social one.)



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... I love that scene at the races when Ross realises who is bidding against him for the horse Bargrave and leads George on to pay far more than the horse is worth.


Didn't George start it? Ross had the horse at less than the £25 he thought it was worth, and George then slipped in a bid to keep the auction going just to annoy Ross. It was great the way Ross tricked him into his final bid, and when George tried to reneg, Harriet forced him to honor it. I think she and Ross then recognized each other as kindred spirits who enjoyed the same hobby, torturing George.



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I think Harriet had a portion of Lady Constance Bodrugan, as well as the other characters.


You are so right. Without George to object, she probably would have assembled quite a menagerie at Cardew. With the bush baby, or whatever that thing was; the boar hounds; the foxhounds; and all the horses, she had a good start.

I wonder whether she would have taken Butto if he had survived the fire and Valentine had not. 



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It's clear Harriet was attracted to Ross from their first meeting, telling George that if they weren't at daggers drawn she would "favour his acquaintance." Later, at a party at Trenwith (The Loving Cup) Ross waltzes with her - at Demelza's prompting, but he seemed to enjoy the experience. Later, in Bella Poldark, there is another party - Ross is seated beside Harriet at dinner, and they definitely flirt - he tells her she has beautiful eyes, and later dances with her again, kissing her before the valse a deux temps and enjoyiing having "an exciting woman in his arms." Then when he goes over to Prideux Place after John Trevenion flees the country they stand on the terrace, and he puts his arm around - stepping apart when the footman come out.

Demelza clearly thinks he has a taking for her, though she doesn't seem to mind - when Clowance apologises for inviting her to her wedding, Demelza says that sometimes he "takes a fancy for a pretty young woman who has his own kind of arrogance.

I think Demelza is right - there's a certain attraction there, but never enough to ignite a flame. And as you say, there were too many differences in attitude between them. 

 



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Suzanne, I don't know where you get the idea that Ross might have been 'interested' in Harriet Carter from.  When George first met her, Ross was in Portugal and even when he heard about George's thoughts of re-marrying, he had no idea who Harriet was. As far as I can recall, he had never even seen her until the Truro races.  They were both at the Duchess of Gordon's ball, but no mention is made of them even clapping eyes on each other.

I agree Ross was drawn to her as a friend, in a similar way he was to Caroline - they were both arrogant, classy women. However, as he got older he realised that their values were not his. Caroline's opposing views sparked them into lively conversations, mostly with Demelza and Dwight to counterbalance them.

Harriet could appreciate Ross as an alpha male, (note her first comment about him), successful but completely without the carefully managed persona which George showed to the world.  I love that scene at the races when Ross realises who is bidding against him for the horse Bargrave and leads George on to pay far more than the horse is worth.



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I think Harriet had a portion of Lady Constance Bodrugan, as well as the other characters.



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I loved this character - what a woman! She seems to embody some of the best elements of Demelza (her earthiness) Caroline (her rebellious streak) and Elizabeth (her breeding). It's clear that Ross was quite taken with her, and she with Ross, and there are moments when it almost seems they might... But they don't. 

I loved that she seems to be George's come-uppance. He desperately wanted to marry her - for many of the same reasons he wanted to marry Elizabeth, including the suspicion that Ross might be interested. But whereas with Elizabeth he got a compliant doll, with Harriet he got a spitfire who put him very firmly in his place. 

I just wonder... if Demelza hadn't been around, would she and Ross have got it together? What if they'd married? Now THAT would have been quite a story!

 


I love Harriet too. She did something I thought was impossible: She made me feel sorry for George Warleggan. 

I doubt Harriet and Ross could ever have married because of one gigantic stumbling block: fox hunting. Ross was morally opposed to it, and Harriet could not live without it. Dwight and Caroline overcame polar-opposite opinions on the subject, but Caroline never got in deep enough to keep a pack of foxhounds. (She liked her dogs lap-size.) George rode to hounds because it was expected, but I doubt he ever felt sympathy for the fox, as Ross and Demelza did. Rather, he probably enjoyed the kill. 



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I loved this character - what a woman! She seems to embody some of the best elements of Demelza (her earthiness) Caroline (her rebellious streak) and Elizabeth (her breeding). It's clear that Ross was quite taken with her, and she with Ross, and there are moments when it almost seems they might... But they don't. 

I loved that she seems to be George's come-uppance. He desperately wanted to marry her - for many of the same reasons he wanted to marry Elizabeth, including the suspicion that Ross might be interested. But whereas with Elizabeth he got a compliant doll, with Harriet he got a spitfire who put him very firmly in his place. 

I just wonder... if Demelza hadn't been around, would she and Ross have got it together? What if they'd married? Now THAT would have been quite a story!

 



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She's so different from Elizabeth, she can stand up to George in a way that Elizabeth never could.



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