Again very many thanks Bronny, definitely a future priceless item of Poldark heritage to treasure for ever !
"Perfection is a full stop .... Ever the climbing but never the attaining Of the mountain top." W.G.
A passionate child rolling in the dust with her ugly dog; a girl driving oxen; a woman....Did anything else matter?
Thank you again Bronny it's all very much appreciated indeed !! No rush at all....
I'm not wicked computer savvy, but is uploading the files to a torrent site an option? Or is Dropbox a torrent site?
Just checked out DropBox details. Hmmmmmm. The basic Freebie account allows of up to 2GB in the DropBox, ermmmm, Dropbox/Cloud at any one time. The Pro version allows of up to 50GB at any one time, and will cost $99.00 per annum, or can be paid monthly at $9.99 per month. As far as I am aware, there are no limits, other than your upload speed, which in any case takes place in the background, and once the basic files are uploaded, only uploads changes as they are made. So as long as you don't exceed the overall storage limit, you can upload whatever you like. But, as I said in the previous post, any changes I make are instantly uploaded as well, and if I download the file, it's gone from Dropbox, unless you or I re-upload it. So, as I have found out to my cost, care is necessary when using DropBox, but as a means of transferring files between computers, whether from the next room, or across Continents, it's hard to beat.
(As it happens, I have quite successfully exchanged large music files with a friend in South Australia, and he with me. Flawless.)
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The freebie would probably not be enough, but the Pro, usually on offer at arounf $50.00 allows sending of files up to 2GB, so this might help.
I use DropBox a lot as well, but not too sure what their limitations are. DropBox is like a personal Cloud Account. Whatever you put up there, I can look at, edit, or download, BUT, once I've downloaded it, I've got it, and it's no longer in the Cloud, so anything you post to Dropbox you need to copy first, otherwise you could lose it ! ! !
Yes I'll check with Teni about the logistics Ross....
Char - yes I suspected that Dropbox might not accommodate the file size - I'll ask Teni and also do some research to see if there is another option.
Rest assured - it is happening...albeit slowly.
Bron, im trying to work out dropbox,have downloaded it but am struggling to upload cult of poldark. It says its too large! I will keep trying, maybe i have to do smaller amounts at a time!
Don't worry at all Bronny, there's absolutely no hurry or rush whatsoever. Whatever fits in with you is just fine - this year, next year....whatever
Not being much help afraid as I've no idea about recording things, but Teni might be a good place to start ?
Great pic !!
Yes I'll have a copy here too....
Now another question - not sure if anyone will be able to answer - if I copy them at the highest quality, I would only be able to get one episode on a dvd. That would take many dvds as you know! So I'm currently doing a test to see how they appear if I put three on a dvd - compressing the quality slightly. To be honest, I don't think it will make a lot of difference - for example, episode 3 quality is dreadful! But they are still watchable...and I don't think the content in ep 3 is any different from that on my purchased dvds. As my work contract is about to finish, I don't think I can afford to splash out on 25 (or whatever it is) dvds.....
Your thoughts, Ross and others? I guess if I'm going to do it, I should get it right....
It's really very kind indeed of you Bronny to go to so much trouble, and I think we're also really very lucky too now that we've discovered the '40s and 50's first edition books as well because at least we'll know we'll always have the originals. It's also started me wondering if the same thing might have happened with Jane Austen's first editions and if there was a Society up and running during her lifetime to be able to ask !
Whatever you think is the easiest with the dvds will be just fine, though I think with regular mail it would be a wise precaution not only to insure them before posting, but to create a couple of back up copies just in case the unthinkable happens !!
Thank you again !
Wonderful thanks Bronny you're a treasure !
Ross Poldark wrote:Again very interesting (as below) from a future historian's viewpoint yes please thank you, especially the Mastermind episode as we've nothing on this, in fact ages ago we had a member join who said she took part in it but never heard any more.If you click on "The Author" forum (link below) there's a thread from '05 on what we're still hoping to do about collecting WG and Poldark memorabilia etc. one day..Rosshttp://poldark.activeboard.com/t3406425/rare-collections-finds-amp-general-memorabilia/
If you click on "The Author" forum (link below) there's a thread from '05 on what we're still hoping to do about collecting WG and Poldark memorabilia etc. one day..
Interesting thread. I'll send you through the Morecambe and Wise and Mastermind eps too then... There may be other things I've forgotten about along the way which I'll rediscover...I used to grab anything the slightest bit Poldark-related and keep it, Poldark tragic - that's me!
I'll be in touch when I'm ready to send the first episode through....
Ross Poldark wrote:Thanks indeed for your editing help, not sure about YouTube and BBC/ABC (?) copyright time elapsed since though ? If this is ok dvd in Dropbox sounds excellent so whatever and whenever you can manage be great, thanks.
Thanks indeed for your editing help, not sure about YouTube and BBC/ABC (?) copyright time elapsed since though ? If this is ok dvd in Dropbox sounds excellent so whatever and whenever you can manage be great, thanks.
Yes I think Dropbox is the way to go - after that you may deal with them as you see fit! Might take a bit of experimentation as to file types etc. but we will get there. Hoping to start this next weekend - if I can aim for an episode a month that will be a start!
bronny wrote:Oh just one more thing on this - although slightly OT in this thread...I also have a couple of things which I can copy from the old videos too if they are not easily available - Angharad's appearance on Morecambe and Wise, including a Poldark sendup; and an episode of Mastermind from yonks ago where someone's special subject is Poldark and WG. Let me know...if I don't hear back I won't bother copying them.Bronny
Oh just one more thing on this - although slightly OT in this thread...I also have a couple of things which I can copy from the old videos too if they are not easily available - Angharad's appearance on Morecambe and Wise, including a Poldark sendup; and an episode of Mastermind from yonks ago where someone's special subject is Poldark and WG. Let me know...if I don't hear back I won't bother copying them.Bronny
Again very interesting (as below) from a future historian's viewpoint yes please thank you, especially the Mastermind episode as we've nothing on this, in fact ages ago we had a member join who said she took part in it but never heard any more.
bronny wrote:Actually I'm thinking of starting a PhD in history/heritage in the next few years - wonder if there is a Poldark/WG-related topic I could investigate hmmm.....suggestions welcome!This work of copying is going to take quite a while as I have to copy them in 'real time' - and then editing...once I get going on it, I'll have another chat with you as to the best way of sharing them with yourself and the community. I don't really want to put them on YouTube. Probably just putting them on dvd and sending them over would be a good start - or perhaps popping the files in Dropbox or something for you to pick up? That way you can get them as I go rather than waiting months. Anyway, we'll talk further.Bronny
Actually I'm thinking of starting a PhD in history/heritage in the next few years - wonder if there is a Poldark/WG-related topic I could investigate hmmm.....suggestions welcome!
This work of copying is going to take quite a while as I have to copy them in 'real time' - and then editing...once I get going on it, I'll have another chat with you as to the best way of sharing them with yourself and the community. I don't really want to put them on YouTube. Probably just putting them on dvd and sending them over would be a good start - or perhaps popping the files in Dropbox or something for you to pick up? That way you can get them as I go rather than waiting months. Anyway, we'll talk further.
Very interesting indeed about your PhD and looking for Poldark/WG related topics, only difficulty is knowing where to start lol ! Something else to add to the talk further list I think, in fact it's a good excuse to get the Research Forum under way.
Ross Poldark wrote: In fact from future historians' viewpoints once the film is separated from the ads it would be well worth keeping them as well !
Absolutely - I'm a historian myself....so I absolutely agree with what you are saying!
Having both series is still simply unbelievable, it's amazing they even exist as I'd given up hope ages ago. Quite seriously many years in the future I'm sure they'll be seen as today's equivalent of an undiscovered novel by Jane Austen or Thomas Hardy suddenly being discovered due to their enduring mass popular appeal ever since publication.
I'm no expert but I would have thought that as long as the tapes themselves are still in reasonable condition, the digital improvement of the original poor TV reception these days hopefully should'nt be too much of a problem. In fact from future historians' viewpoints once the film is separated from the ads it would be well worth keeping them as well !
Sorry Ross I hadn't seen this latest post of yours here! I'm just about on top of uni deadlines now so I will try to get to work on doing something about these vids....if not now, then certainly by the end of the year. And yes I have both series. They were shown on commercial tv here so the ad breaks are annoying - but rather hilarious too, being late 70s vintage. I will try and edit them out when I copy them.
I've just about finished watching my dvd box set for the first time - and while the episodes are definitely more complete than the VHS versions, there are still some things edited out. I discovered another one yesterday - when Osborne is peering through the hole at Rowella preparing for her bath, they've taken out the bit where you see her naked. It cuts back to a spliced, slow motion view of him peering through the hole at her again - bloody annoying and not particularly well done - not that I particularly want to see Julie Dawn Cole's bum.....! Maybe they did it to take the rating down to PG (if that's what it is) or something....it was pretty cutting edge to see a bit of nudity back in the day, but very tame now and to edit it out is just stupid.
So....I will start trolling through them when I get time and also will investigate getting the dodgy ones cleaned up....but it's not the videos themselves, it was the bad TV reception. Consequently there is one particular scene which is all over the place - and guess which one it is - only the Ross/Demelza seduction scene!!!! Sod's law....
However, I believe that scene has been reproduced exactly as it was on the dvds if I'm not mistaken...
Ross Poldark wrote:
Thank you Bronny this is really fantastic news as they're the first original copies I've ever heard of !! Would that be both series from 1975 and 1977 ?Little knowledge myself of any of the following but I've read that old tapes can be cleaned up and improved considerably these days before saving them onto DVD, also there's another old thread (link below) on the same forum that says much the same thing.So as they are obviously very rare and therefore now highly important, could I suggest that the sooner they can be professionally cleaned up, protected and saved onto DVD for posterity (and for the rest of us !) the better as I think when they get very old they get very brittle and fragile indeed ? I think Smollett might know much more about this sort of thing .... ? Very much look forward whenever you've got a few moments to spare hearing how things progress !!I still can't believe it !! Thanks a bunch !!Ross (Scroll to the bottom to start.)http://poldark.activeboard.com/t7120513/poldark-vhs-to-dvd/?r=275679
Thank you Bronny this is really fantastic news as they're the first original copies I've ever heard of !! Would that be both series from 1975 and 1977 ?Little knowledge myself of any of the following but I've read that old tapes can be cleaned up and improved considerably these days before saving them onto DVD, also there's another old thread (link below) on the same forum that says much the same thing.
So as they are obviously very rare and therefore now highly important, could I suggest that the sooner they can be professionally cleaned up, protected and saved onto DVD for posterity (and for the rest of us !) the better as I think when they get very old they get very brittle and fragile indeed ? I think Smollett might know much more about this sort of thing .... ? Very much look forward whenever you've got a few moments to spare hearing how things progress !!
I still can't believe it !! Thanks a bunch !!Ross
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I still can't believe it !! Thanks a bunch !!Ross
Greg wrote:G Warleggan ESQ wrote: ....and the scene you mentioned, Greg, with Dwight discovering the bottle, is in my set of tapes. Hi GW Well that's one big mystery cleared up anyway as Jakki will be over the moon having puzzled over it for 25 years !! Could you reply to her original "Death of Elizabeth" posting and put her mind at rest after so long !
G Warleggan ESQ wrote: ....and the scene you mentioned, Greg, with Dwight discovering the bottle, is in my set of tapes.
Well that's one big mystery cleared up anyway as Jakki will be over the moon having puzzled over it for 25 years !! Could you reply to her original "Death of Elizabeth" posting and put her mind at rest after so long !
Hi Caroline, Yes, I bought my copy from the ABC shop in Australia, and they differ from the original. that is why I joined this group....boy!!! it seems not one release in all that time has been the same...always something has been edited out.. Sorry Caroline but I think you will findDelmezas' seduction scene isn't the one in the origial and there was no washing at the pump either by Ross
I would imagine the original series would be PAL...Same as here is Aus.
It would be truly wonderful to be able to see it, I never taped, it don't think I had a VCR in those days. Think I will check with my Library...maybe they have the first time ones...
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I don't know how much use this is but this list came to me on another group that I am in. Someone who had copies of the uncut series compiled it. This only covers series 1 though. I've never been able to ascertain if series 2 was ever edited. Does anyone here know?
SCENES IN PBS POLDARK SERIES, BUT MISSING FROM POLDARK VIDEOSHere is my list of cuts (things shown on UK gold missing on BBCVideo). Most ofthe cuts were of linking shots (eg outside shot of a house) or slight extensions toparticular scenes. Only a few would, in my opinion, have made a material difference to the programme as released on video other than atmospherics (which is of courseimportant, before somebody picks me up on that!). These are indicated as majoromissions: Episode 1 – (up to Elizabeth's wedding) A few shots of rooms and houses, an extension of the conversation in the coach when Ross returns.Episode 2 – (From Ross and Margaret to Ross and Verity talking about CaptainBlamey) Some shots of Talbots, the start of Ross's hangover, Mrs. Martin scolding the children, lots of a scenes at Redruth market, some dancing at the Truro Ball, Judd at the brandy.Episode 3 – (up to Demelza leaving) Nothing of note omitted.Episode 4 – (up to Ross rejecting Elizabeth) Major omission regarding the identity of the father of Demelza's baby during the breakfast scene, Charles Poldark's funeral was a bit longer, RARE scenes of Prudie dusting, the end of the scene where Ross rushes of the stop Demelza on the way to Truro.Episode 5 – (up to Mrs. Daniel meeting Dr. Enys) Major omission where Demelzatalks to Captain Blamey. Some of the play at Nampara, a scene of social unrest, Francis before the closure of Grambler, part of the scenes where Mark Daniel builds his house.Episode 6 –(up to George discovering the identity of Carnmore shareholders) bits and bobs linking scenes together, a major omission where Demelza receives the invitation to the ball, scenes showing Sanson and Warleggan at the ball.Episode 7 – (up to Ross evading soldiers ) Some crowd scenes, some shots of Captain Blamey's bottle, Mark Daniel after he discovers his wife’s adultery, Dr. Enys after he discovers Keren’s death, Elizabeth and Geoffrey Charles.Episode 8 –( up to Ross's arrest) Scenes of the carol singing, scenes before lunch at Trenwith, scenes of the shipwreck.Episode 9 – (up to Francis's attempted suicide) some crowd scenes and scenes inside an inn with Warleggan.Episode 10 – (up to return of jury ) The previous trial and important omission of a scene between Judd and George.Episode 11 – (up to Judd's assault) No omissions.Episode 12 – (up to Demelza's labour) Bringing in Judd's body, village constable scenes, extension of scene between Ross and Demelza where Demelza says "can I talk to you", doctors attending Judd and firing pistols, Demelza going fishing and talking to Prudie, Demelza finding Judd in the woods.Episode 13 – (up to Demelza packing books) Paul Daniel and Zacky at mine head.Episode 14 – (up to Captain McNeal searching the cache) Nothing much.Episode 15 – (up to Demelza leaving the party) An awful lot a scenes before and during the ball.
In answer to your above question, Greg, no, I haven't read the books yet (unbeliveably, I know)! One of these days, when I get more time, I'm going to read them all in sequence.
Thanks for clearing up who Charles is. Yes, I believe his funeral is in the version I have. I didn't know who you were talking about because for the most part, Ross refers to him as "Uncle" constantly, and Francis says "Father."
And I just watched the Francis and Elizabeth wedding scene yesterday, and I have to say that it's very, very short. Maybe, even though my set contains it, it was edited as well.
Good idea but it seems that general home videos (see first url below) didn't appear until September 1976 becoming a standard format for recording and viewing in the 80's and 90's. However there's a lot of very interesting stuff right at the bottom of the page about earlier recording machines which is way beyond me but one model of which is still in use today. The Sony U-matic first introduced in 1969 which might be a very long shot if one knew where to start looking though whether anyone recorded both of the original '70's series is anyone's guess. Can any experts throw some light on it ?
Which still leaves us stuck unfortunately with only the '90's copies to work on. Simon in the UK also does a conversion service as well a little further down the stickies - Poldark VHS to DVD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-matic (last paragraph)
Of course there's always the possibility that anyone worldwide during the 1980's and perhaps the early 90's, could have video'd repeat showings of the series as JH Luxton must have done in the first post of this thread. Again not only where do you start looking but there's still no way of knowing how much had been edited out of this earlier version either.
The Missing Scenes – The Best Long Term Solution ?
Forgetting completely all later DVD’s other than anything from Simon, and until the beeb decides (if ever !) to release their original 35mm film of both 1970’s series, given the obvious international problem of discovering these unknown missing scenes I think there is really only one possible option. Unless anyone can think of something else ? On top of which a lot of the tapes must by now be degrading and getting quite worn so time isn’t exactly on our side either. Though whether anyone would be interested above all Simon is another thing altogether.
Hard to explain this as I’m not technical or familiar at all with DVD’s and all their incompatibilities. In principle. Locate and bring together via the Forum the earliest and best condition copies possible of the whole series 90’s tapes from what were presumably the original three main exported sources – Australian, American and UK/European. Send them all to Simon to clean up however making sure that everything will finally be available in all three DVD formats. This would also mean that there would always be a very useful and permanent non-degradable record of the least edited copies currently known.
He then puts up for sale nicely packaged DVD copies of all these three area formats, so that anyone interested in buying the area format copies they haven’t seen or otherwise, could soon isolate and note down all the scenes that were missing from their own original tapes. Finally compile a full list of all these newly discovered scenes, send it back to Simon and ask him to produce and put up for sale a final Master Copy. This would of course have to be available in all 3 area formats with all missing scenes, with help from the Forum, re-inserted back into their right sequences. (At which point “Auntie Beeb” suddenly decides its time to release their original 70’s series !)
Don’t know if all this makes any sense but hope you follow the drift ? It would be fascinating to see the final copy one day. A real rarity.
Incidentally the BBC has contracts for just about everything going however the contract in this sense and the one printed on the DVD cover was just referring to the one between Playback and themselves. It’s a standing joke though that they’ll try to place a contract on anything if they can ! Same as with the Government owning the shirt on your back so when you donate blood you’re never really sure who does benefit ! I remember one guy years ago sending a cheque through the post for his annual tax written on the back of his oldest and dirtiest shirt ! Not only did they cash it but the bank had to accept it ! So you’re not far out psychologically
Have you read the books ? Checked e-bay for another PAL set ? As you’ll see on there (enter Poldark) we have VHS Series I and II – 4 tapes in each set and about 2 hours long as well.
Charles was Francis' and Verity’s father, he was also brother to Joshua, who in turn was Ross’ father….i.e. Charles was Ross’ uncle !
This is getting quite interesting; particularly when I was just joking about the dress being a contract issue! It's funny to think I might be correct on that. Just an educated guess.
It does seem to be a trend through the years of editing, now that I read your post, Greg. The tapes I have do indeed have Francis' and Elizabeths' wedding. The funeral of Charles? I'm not sure about that one. I'm not even quite sure who Charles is. The only one I remember by that name is Jefferey Charles. Of course, I've seen the second half of the series much more than the first. I just started watching the first half for the fourth time last night; it takes awhile for things to sink into this poor old brain.
I wish I could list all the events my tapes (and I use that term loosely; they're the library's tapes) had, but that would be a different post entirely, and practically writing down the screenplay. What I do know is that there are six tapes per set, each roughly two hours, and even they seem edited here and there to me. Portions of the story inexplicibly jump back and forth, like 20 second portions and such. It just seems like a shoddy editing job. Mind, I'm not a film expert, but it just seems that way.
It's unfortunate that I do not own the tapes, or I would definitely look into the service Simon posted on this board about. Ah, well. Maybe if I keep checking them out, the library will give in and just sell them to me someday (last time I had to return them because they told me there were "too many renewals," !? That bugged me, as no one had placed a hold on them! I was just back the next day checking them out again!
Continuing our Videos and DVD's postings today from below. The reason I think this is getting interesting is I've been re-reading this whole thread to try and get some sort of historical/ chronological idea and grip of what might have happened from the very beginning. Starting with the interesting first thread below of JH Luxton's - quote - " When series I was shown on TV in the late 1980s I videoed it. In the 90s having bought the VHS video cassettes I noticed that various scenes had been edited."
As the first series went out in 1975 and the second in 1977, it would seem from Luxton's posting that a repeat must have gone out again in the late 80's. (Wish I'd seen the first series but then the beeb's got that tightly locked away I expect !). Whether this second showing was in turn edited down there's no way of knowing (yet ?). He then goes on to say that having "bought the VHS video cassettes I noticed that various scenes had been edited". This makes at least one editing down, perhaps two.
It would then appear from G. Warleggan's (GW) posting that the American PAL series he's watching from his local library (GW - dating possibly from the 90's or from when....??) has scenes in it that don't appear in the equivalent 90's UK VHS copies - my copies in fact. In particular Francis and Elizabeth's wedding (GW - do your copies have Charles's funeral as mine don't ?). Which might mean that the beeb in their everlasting and fathomless pecuniary wisdom decided us Brits can therefore well do without ! Or some such ridiculous nonsense. In other words odds and ends of scenes dished out at their whim, rather than anything resembling discretion, have been fed to wherever. In which case, and I'm enjoying theorising like crazy here, Australia probably has stuff the Northern Hemisphere has never even heard of ! Well anything's possible ! lol
OK given this interesting new production from the beeb. We've now got to the 90's with all of the above. They then have another bright idea when DVD's started appearing. (BTW I'm hopeless at all technical details !). A company called Playback arrives on the scene and gets a contract from the beeb to re-issue everything in DVD, which as others have said on here includes the memorable statement "edited for contractual reasons" - probably reading as "edited for financial reasons". BTW my feeling is the beeb definitely owned not only Demelza's dress and all the clothing going but half of Cornwall as well. (Jennii3 and anyone else if you're getting confused then join the club !)
OK where are we now ? I once read on another Poldark Forum a few years ago someone from Playback actually getting in touch and asking if anyone could help them with some translations as no-one could understand Winston's Cornish dialect ! Something like that. Well no-one replied and from memory they came back and said they were in fact ok and wouldn't need any help after all. Heaven knows what that means or what was finally cobbled together in their final DVD masterpiece !
Now because this DVD has been edited down as well that by my count makes two possibly three editings down from the original 1970's originals, plus goodness knows what went where geographically in the meantime.
Conclusion ? Haven't a clue unless everyone from everywhere suddenly feels like taking notes and seeing who's got what. However I do know I'd very much like to see the wedding of Francis and Elizabeth, Charles' funeral and I think some of the scenes that others have mentioned earlier but until such a list is ever compiled I'll never know....sniff. Interestingly though there's a guy who's posted on here a few forums beneath this one called Simon who offers a useful service converting VHS to American DVD format. It strikes me that if he can do this sort of thing anyway he might, if everyone asked him very nicely, one day be able to piece or patch together as much of the original 80's or 90's missing scenes as possible ?
Finally GW what's the chances of getting a complete copy of your PAL version sometime ? If it's still in one piece that is !
Nuff said till next year - I've got too much work to do but interesting nonetheless !!
I didn't notice the above post before--"edits done for contractual reasons." ?!?! :^/
Whatever for? Does someone own the rights to Ross' mother's dress Demelza tries on? Or clothes worn during Francis' wedding? This one is a real head-scratcher.
And the videos being edited? That means there's footage I haven't seen either, because I've got the tapes. The last time I saw it in its entirety (I guess), was when it aired on "Masterpiece Theater" on PBS here in the states. I was oh, about seven years old, and my memory isn't that great!
Hi all, I think I might have posted to the wrong part of the forum...sorry.
Yes they are different, as I remembered Delmeza's seduction very differently,
Ross angry at her for wearing his mothers' dress, she going to change and then coming
back in to ask his help with buttons I think and that is not in the new DVD's it has
scene of it but not that one, no mothers' dress.
Which all raises the question what right did the BBC have to edit out lots of scenes in the original series, and then sell it in the nineties to the public as authentic Poldark which everyone then bought in good faith ? Same goes for the Playback series too !
Could someone please come up with some answers ? It's been far too long
This is interesting as I never saw the original BBC series at all. I've also heard that there was I think a funeral (Charles ?) and a wedding at a church (Francis and Elizabeth's ?) in the original series that has disappeared as well. In fact I think I can only remember 1 church scene at all in my '90's videos and that was Drake and Morwenna's ?
I wonder if anyone's still got copies of the original 70's series ? They'd be valuable I think by now though how anyone else would ever get to see them I haven't a clue